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Post by geneweigel on Apr 13, 2008 12:45:52 GMT -5
I don't actually mind Italian style experimental food but I don't know what that Chicago stuff tastes like in Chicago. Still I wish NY pizza could speak for itself but the chance of you actually getting the right slice is like looking for a needle in a haystack these days. I'm lucky that there are some remnant pizzerias for a neopolitan slice but if you're trying to get a properly made NY style sicilian slice it is fucking impossible. I have no idea where a good old NY style Sicilian pizzeria is anymore.
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Post by dcas on Apr 13, 2008 19:29:29 GMT -5
I do prefer the thin pizza to the Chicago-style deep dish (though I've had the real Chicago-style as opposed to the Pizzeria Uno chain implementation of it) and we are lucky to have the best thin-crust pizza right here in the neighborhood: Tacconelli's Pizzeria. I've only eaten pizza in NY once, at Two Boots on Bleecker St. It was very good but it gave me severe cramps. I was in NY to see my friend's band at CBGB - and there was NFW I was going to use the crapper there.
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 14, 2008 9:57:06 GMT -5
The Two Boots is definitely not the kind of flavor that they used to sell. Thats more like a gourmet job. Many of the known Manhattan places for good pizza went south in the late 80's and there is always somebody saying that there "is a great place" but it still doesn't have it like they used to. My favorite pizzeria around that still makes "NY style neopolitan" but was written up last summer for "presence of flying insects" by the NYBOH so its off limits by the wife but I know they're clean so that was the pie delivered on the video... Speaking of the video, I had a comment notified to me this morning: and the link comes from an anime site. My work here is done.
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Post by Scott on Apr 14, 2008 12:16:23 GMT -5
I was in a band that played at CBGB in the late 80s. We opened up for the band Biohazard. We made trips to several pizzerias while we were there. There were two that we specifically intended to stop at. St. Marks is the one I remember. Was that the one that was a block or two from CBGB past the methadone clinic?
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 14, 2008 16:13:10 GMT -5
I used to eat there all the time as a convenience* not really for the particular flavor though as that stuff was not even trying to match old New York style. Its actually still there. *You can't get picky at 4am when you're crawling on the sidewalk!
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 14, 2008 16:20:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure if that called St Mark's Pizza or not.
You need to go trapsing out in Outer Mongolia where I live now then you can find remnant recipes that are still going.
In the 80's there was a pizzeria that had New York style down pat on the corner of 8th street. That might be the other place your thinking of. It would be on 8th street which is similiar in atmosphere to St Mark's (head shops, t-shirts, posters, etc.) but on the west side.
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Post by dcas on Apr 14, 2008 19:12:57 GMT -5
I can't believe I actually found a picture of this online:
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Post by Scott on Apr 14, 2008 20:54:24 GMT -5
The picture doesn't do the experience justice, since CB's restroom was an assault on more senses than just the eyes.
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 15, 2008 9:17:38 GMT -5
That reminds me of a good toilet story. In 1988 on New Years Eve, me, my cousin Bill and my brother Chardo were going to Times Square that night. So we did a tour of the 1968 movie THE PRODUCERS. We went to the Empire State Building and said "money is honey" promenaded through the park and dined el fresco (this is el fresco? The best! Please tender our compliments to chef! PLEASE TENDER HALF A BUCK! Everybody's a big shot!) and then went to the Metropolitan Opera House to say "I want everything that I've ever seen in the movies!". Anyway that dirty water dog gave me what can only be described as "dysentery". We scoured Times Square for a toilet and all toilets were out of commision for the "ball to drop" and they hadn't put out the port-o-potties yet. We went down 7th avenue to Penn Station (I recall they had a bathroom but never used the stalls. That stall was a seatless rotting wooden shambles in a roomful of rancid street bums. They kept banging on my door and then a brawl broke out and this guy went flying against the door. His head was under the door as some other vagrant was pummeling the shit out of him. The cops came in and "investigated" my stall while I was still going at it while standing up. Then the other two (Bill and Chardo) who were portly (I had no body fat at that time because I was a messenger) started to feel the "dogs" hit them. They said there was no way on Earth they were going to do their business in that toilet and we ended up abandoning the New Years in Times Square. Since that episode I have still to this day never gone to Times Square for New Years.... Man....you just can't make this stuff up....
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Post by dcas on Apr 15, 2008 19:04:01 GMT -5
The picture doesn't do the experience justice, since CB's restroom was an assault on more senses than just the eyes. Oh, I agree. It was really bad. However, it was the lack of privacy that kept me away.
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Post by Falconer on Apr 16, 2008 0:27:23 GMT -5
Since moving out to the Midwest I haven’t tasted a single slice of pizza that I liked. And that’s a shame, because I really like pizza. It’s the crust—it is a little too flakey, a little too cracker-like, and tastes like it’s missing salt or something. I haven’t had a deep dish pizza that I liked, and the thin crust is too thin. Maybe I'm spoiled, because in San Francisco they have some really GOOD pizza! Pizza Orgasmica, Extreme Pizza, North Beach Pizza... amazing.
As for Greyhawk, the best bet for now is probably just to refrain from referring to the brand name to avoid confusion. You know how you can say “Lovecraft” and immediately everyone knows the context of the discussion? Let it be the same for “Gygax.” Regards.
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 16, 2008 6:25:59 GMT -5
As for Greyhawk, the best bet for now is probably just to refrain from referring to the brand name to avoid confusion. You know how you can say “Lovecraft” and immediately everyone knows the context of the discussion? Let it be the same for “Gygax.” Regards. Thats what I mean. I've had a lot of confusion over people hearing Greyhawk out of my mouth and then the next time they see me they're angry that they've collected a pile of garbage at my "suggestion". Its amazing how memory works sometimes.
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Post by dcas on Apr 16, 2008 10:17:25 GMT -5
I always get "The Producers" mixed up with "To Be or Not to Be."
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 16, 2008 10:40:38 GMT -5
TO BE OR NOT TOBE? That trainwreck? Upstate at the country house when we were bored to tears as teenagers we used to "do" THE PRODUCERS by acting it out with anybody jumping in as a character. Alternately, we'd "do" AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT (the original sketches weren't on tape at the time and easy to commit to memory), STAR WARS, and later THE MEANING OF LIFE sans the singing. Although THE PRODUCERS we did do the singing parts. "By The Light of Silvery Moon" being the best especially while drunk off your ass! "And one for our good-natured inebriate!"
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Post by dcas on Apr 16, 2008 12:25:57 GMT -5
I guess because both movies deal with Nazis.
I crack up at the air raid scene when the characters are all rushing down the stairs to the basement. A Catholic character pauses to cross himself; then a Jewish character pauses to trace a large Star of David (with both hands) on his chest. Classic!!
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 16, 2008 13:58:47 GMT -5
I think Brookes lost it on that film just because of the serious tone not being his forte made it hard to digest. Too bad. SPACEBALLS lacked after that for some reason then homeless movie was even worse than TO BE OR NOT TO BE. He tried to come back with the ROBIN HOOD movie but it still had no punch anymore. The DRACULA movie was the hands down worst. Which is hard to believe that Harvey Korman was in.
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Post by dcas on Apr 16, 2008 19:43:00 GMT -5
I have friends who rave about Spaceballs but it leaves me rather cold. The only decent scenes are those with Ric Moranis as "Dark Helmet" -- "Evil with always triumph because good is dumb."
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 16, 2008 20:05:43 GMT -5
It definitely has quotable elements but in the same breath most of the film makes me wince. Mel Brooks doesn't exist without Gene Wilder and somewhat vise versa (Gene was good early on without Mel). Its a simple guide to follow for the later years in regards to both of them.
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Post by GT on Apr 17, 2008 21:08:13 GMT -5
...as previously mentioned elsewhere, I developed an evil demigod in my campaign with my buddy, Curt, based on Harvey Korman (Karbosh by name).
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 18, 2008 8:39:36 GMT -5
Theres an exception HIGH ANXIETY. And HISTORY OF THE WORLD as well. He was running on that Wilder power and viseversa thats what I really meant to say. Wilder did marginally funny films after that (too many to write ot). He was just on Turner Classic Movies in an interview and he noted about his direction that he was too much of a nice guy. Brooks also noted elsewhere that Wilder was like a sheep being led to the slaughter. Maybe that was the dynamic. Not that Mel was a bastard or anything but you could imagine him being too terse and dismissive by his tough as I see it "street mentality".
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