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Post by mephisto on Mar 28, 2008 5:04:58 GMT -5
Hi everybody, it's mephisto again...
I have a new question. I've read in the dragonsfoor-forum, that it was Garys intention that multiclasses get the full HD for one class, if the other is already at its levelmax.-In other word, the result has not be to divided. For example : Hill-Dwarf fighter/ cleric -let's say with UA-rules, because of his abilities his max.level on the fighter is 7th ( strenght 17)and the cleric is 10th. He reaches Level 7th/7th. So, if he reaches 8th,9th and 10th level of cleric he gets "full"(not to divide by the number of classes) d8 HD (+ constibonus) Now let's say he is already Fi 7th/ Cleric 9th, with two cleric-HD, which were not devided and he gets one additional point of strenghth. With Str18 his maximum fighter-lebel will be 8th.
1.)What will be happen with the hitpoints which he got at 8th-cleric level?
Oh, and btw, in general: What will be happen if he will lose the Str-Point at some later point? 2.)- Will he lose a Fighter-level again?
Thank you for your attention
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Post by Scott on Mar 28, 2008 6:26:52 GMT -5
First question: You just handle it like you would for a normal multi-class level. You divide the existing total by two, and then add the HPs gained from the new level.
2nd question: It's not covered in the rules, but as a game rule mechanic, I suspect the fighter level would be lost.
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Post by stranger on Mar 28, 2008 7:02:25 GMT -5
I would agree with Scott on the second question. The fighter is using strength to compensate for a lack of skill. No stength, no level.
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Post by mephisto on Mar 28, 2008 7:53:29 GMT -5
Because I still don't realy undersatnd how to handle it, I make a little table. So the hill-dwarf is Fi/ cleric. Lets say his advancement looked like this: (and let's say constihp bonus is +2) -1st number is the thrown number on the dice -2nd is the consti 3rd the sum 4th aifer the devision by two (because of the two classes) Level Fighter / Cleric /Total ( at 1/1, 2/2 etc.) Level 1 8+2=10 = 5/ 3+2=5 = 2,5 / 7,5 Level 2 6+2= 8 = 4/ 2+2=4 = 2/ + 6 = 13,5 Level 3 9+2=11 = 5,5/6+2=8 = 4/ +9,5 = 23 Level 4 4+2= 6 = 3/4+2=6 = 3/ + 6 = 29 Level 5 4+2= 6 = 3/1+2=3 = 1,5/ + 4,5 = 33,5 Level 6 8+2=4 = 2 /3+2=5 = 5,5/ + 7,5 = 41 Level 7 7+2=9 = 4,5/ 5+2=7 = 3,5/ + 8 = 49 Level 8 -- / 5+2=7 = 7/ + 7 = 56 Level 9 -- / 4+2=6 = 6/ + 6 = 62 Waht I still don't understand is, if the character gets one additional level as fighter (level 8th, bacause of str.increase) waht will be happen with the hp which he got at 8th level cleric - in the table he got 7 hps at this level. will these 7 hp now afterwards devides? So that he has to lower his hps bei 3, 5? ( Ok I left out the new hps he will get from the new fighter level.) If yes, everone musst keep record at which level how mutch hps he had. what if noone recorded this? Make a d8-roll + Constibonus divided by two and subtract the result from the hp? ...I hope my text/question isn't to confusing.
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Post by Scott on Mar 28, 2008 8:13:17 GMT -5
Yes, the old undivided HP total for the single HD would then be divided, and then the new HD + con would be rolled, divided, and addded as normal. I always track HP/Level.
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Post by GT on Mar 28, 2008 8:44:36 GMT -5
I concur on all points. And thank you, Mephisto, for breathing new life into AD&D mechanics questions here! Most of us are jaded old players who have covered so much game-ground we forget where we've been at this point! Especially that old fart, Gene! JUST KIDDING!!!! (copyright, GW) ^__^
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Post by mephisto on Mar 28, 2008 9:10:47 GMT -5
I do my best to serach for new questions ;-)
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Post by geneweigel on Mar 28, 2008 9:45:37 GMT -5
I concur on all points. And thank you, Mephisto, for breathing new life into AD&D mechanics questions here! Most of us are jaded old players who have covered so much game-ground we forget where we've been at this point! Especially that old fart, Gene! JUST KIDDING!!!! (copyright, GW) ^__^ The recent events left me shaken and disturbed, and all the questions kept coming up over and over again, like hired NPC deaths while looking for a sewer entrance to a secret temple of Juiblex. Who would want to clarify rules on a forum? And why did they want to find answers to unanswerable old questions? And for whom? Do rules built upon rules built upon rules really have solid answers? I didn't have any proof of this, but, somehow, I never entirely trusted them, either. Come to think of it, why was "obsession" never referred to again in any AD&D book? And if Gary designed it, why didn't he know about it? And if he didn't, who did? And where the hell was I? JUST KIDDING! (APOLOGIES TO FRANK DREBIN, POLICE SQUAD)
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Post by dcas on Mar 28, 2008 21:35:11 GMT -5
I don't agree with the answer to #2. If a fighter with Str 9 loses a point of strength at some point, he doesn't cease to be a fighter, so I don't see why a demi-human PC who loses a point a strength should lose a level.
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Post by GT on Mar 28, 2008 22:55:02 GMT -5
Actually, mi Amigo, since a Fighter must have a STR of at least 9 (pg. 9 PH) or not be a Fighter, I would say it still holds true...
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Post by dcas on Mar 29, 2008 13:01:45 GMT -5
So a man starts as a fighter at age 20 or so with a Str of 9. Then when he loses a point of Str he ceases to be a fighter? Is that what you're saying?
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Post by geneweigel on Mar 29, 2008 14:58:10 GMT -5
I've glanced at this several times (an even made a joking diversion) but I still don't know what this thread is about.
Where is the strength loss from?
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Post by dcas on Mar 29, 2008 19:10:52 GMT -5
Age or magic, I don't care which.
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Post by geneweigel on Mar 29, 2008 23:06:07 GMT -5
I guess it makes sense though. The question is what are they going to be then? Thieves?
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Post by GT on Mar 29, 2008 23:45:39 GMT -5
Well, the skill would still be there, but you'd be a pretty lame fighter if you could only bench 80 pounds or less--compared to other fighters of similar skill who were not so debilitated.... your armor and weapons would drag you down.
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Post by dcas on Apr 16, 2008 19:45:49 GMT -5
Str of 8 indicates 80 lbs military press -- not bench press!
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Post by Merkholz on Apr 18, 2008 3:38:19 GMT -5
I thought it was established that the ability requirements were needed to enter into a class and not to remain in that class. Otherwise some classes, the sub-classes especially, would pretty soon have to be abandoned by the adventuring party that faces curses, ghosts, diseases, lamias etc.
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Post by GT on Apr 18, 2008 5:12:54 GMT -5
Well, imagine a M-U who had an INT loss down to say 5... said Mage would be very unlikely to be able to memorize and cast spells at that point. Or what about a Thief knocked down to a low DEX; even if the knowledge was still there, his klutziness would trip him up, cause him to fall, etc.
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 18, 2008 9:02:16 GMT -5
Well theres always frauds and charlatans who pretend to be a vocation. What about a new optional rule that has prerequisites based on nepotism? Hmmm... "My dad was a druid and so am I. It runs in the family by gum! What do you mean this mistletoe from the trash ain't good? Why I oughtta! I'm a druid dammit! What are you a sage? What is that an herb? Hey Herbie, my steak needs some seasoning. I got a million of them. Geez, its cold out here cut down that copse, I'm freezing. What? I'll give you "special dispensation", I can't feel my "fire seeds" its so frickin' cold out. Where'd that bear go? I'm going to skin that useless walking rug, the only reason I keep him around is that maybe he'll draw fire away from yours truly. Can we make it fast with the wood? Just rip the bark off those really old ones and get it over with, Sheesh!"
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Post by dcas on Apr 18, 2008 9:58:47 GMT -5
Well, imagine a M-U who had an INT loss down to say 5... said Mage would be very unlikely to be able to memorize and cast spells at that point. Or what about a Thief knocked down to a low DEX; even if the knowledge was still there, his klutziness would trip him up, cause him to fall, etc. But it wouldn't make him a non-magic-user ( or -thief) as the case may be. He just wouldn't be as good at the abilities of his class.
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