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Post by Scott on Dec 19, 2004 16:51:14 GMT -5
Does anybody have any ideas on how much living quarters for a character would run in different situations? If a character wanted to purchase a small house in Greyhawk for example, how much would you charge him? Scott
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Post by Lord Cias on Dec 19, 2004 18:58:34 GMT -5
I would like some advice on this as well.
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Post by dcas on Dec 20, 2004 15:38:25 GMT -5
500 g.p.
Say your average middle-class character has an income of 3,000 g.p. per year. (Keep in mind that few people would actually be middle-class.) A small house or cottage including a tiny bit of land should cost about two months' income. As one gets closer to the center of Greyhawk proper, the price should increase accordingly, up to 10 times that amount.
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Post by Scott on Oct 3, 2007 7:05:23 GMT -5
Any additional thoughts on this? Also, what do you think would be the size of a typical land grant for knighthood? What about the size of a typical barony?
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Post by geneweigel on Oct 3, 2007 13:31:14 GMT -5
I charge about 3 gp +/- acre without any liberties which have to be either earned or paid.
Troops can be denied at going rates for mercenaries.
Building prices
Peasant's house 160 gp
Town
Connected 2 story 350 gp
Live in "Shop/Tavern" 800 gp
Enclosed min-villa 4000 gp
I'd tax at a 10th of the value. and none of these are gonna have the freedoms mentioned above included either but they can.
Foreigners are restricted from any of this and must be literally rolling in cash to do anything.
42000 gp for a stone manor/villa 17000 gp for a wooden manor /villa
Castles minimum 30,000 with an average of of about 60,000 gp
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Post by geneweigel on Oct 3, 2007 13:33:54 GMT -5
I have rulers grant a minimum of about a 100 acres on average.
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Post by Scott on Oct 3, 2007 18:15:51 GMT -5
It seems like every other player in the Lake Geneva campaign owned an inn. Anybody ever have a player that owned a business, or DMed one? How did the player acquire it?
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Post by geneweigel on Oct 3, 2007 22:14:24 GMT -5
My brother Chardo was the most active player in the universe. His characters would always buy pieces of businesses that they liked. I remember him trying to buy out "the tavern" several times but everybody else wouldn't let him. Then he jokingly tried to do it when he was the DM*. *As DM, Chardo created some of the worst adventures on earth. 20 tons of preparation and the most obtuse and overbaked things that you've ever heard. However...his npcs had lives of their own so he was great as long as it involved personalities. I recall the time that we made him drag the owner of the equipment shop along for the entire adventure.
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Post by GRWelsh on Oct 8, 2007 20:32:08 GMT -5
The size of a fighter's freehold in the PH was 20-50 mile radius, and the magic-user's 10 to 20 mile radius. That's quite a bit of land. But I think this assumes a wilderness with the player actively trying to clear it of monsters. In a civilized part of the realm, such as just outside of Greyhawk, a land grant would most likely be much less area -- but also harder to come by -- since no one ever sells it, it just keeps passing down to heirs. I always imagined the PH rules to apply to those player characters who just start trying to carve a fief out of the deep wilderness, or those who are granted border land by a lord who doesn't really control it ("I'm granting you a barony in the Sulfurous Rift").
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Post by Scott on Oct 8, 2007 21:44:01 GMT -5
That's how I see the PH rules as well. By the way, did Eric ever say how large your barony is?
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Post by geneweigel on Oct 8, 2007 23:58:52 GMT -5
Freeholds off the beaten path I play by the book which is accurate historically as well but lands "granted" (especially when dealing with cavaliers, clerics, paladins and other "plugged in" characters) is a different story.
I derive grant numbers from this:
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Post by GRWelsh on Oct 9, 2007 19:17:40 GMT -5
Gene, the passage from the DMG always makes me think of Rome. I guess it could work for a landed aristocracy around Greyhawk, Chendl, Rel Mord, etc.
Scott, my barony roughly corresponds to 1st edition PH size, I think. Eric has a map of it on hex paper, but I forget the exact scale he used. Most of my farms are burned or destroyed.
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Post by Scott on Oct 9, 2007 19:49:51 GMT -5
With a place like Greyhawk, I feel that all of the available land has been granted out. Many titles are not hereditary, so there will be some turnover. There's also a good chance a grant might be on disputed land, or land claimed by some character like Robilar. There is also landless fiefs. Reading through the Yggsburgh book, you see several businesses, like the nearby salt mine, granted to knights instead of land.
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