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Post by Scott on Jan 30, 2008 12:26:02 GMT -5
I've seen quite a few people state that they have placed Yggsburgh south of Greyhawk where the Ery meets the Neen. What do you think of this option? Originally I thought I would just take the bits I like out and use them as parts of my Greyhawk City, or just replace Greyhawk with Yggsburgh and redraw the map a bit. Any opinions?
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Post by geneweigel on Jan 30, 2008 12:49:05 GMT -5
Put it near the village of Orz (near Hardby) maybe they can even franchise the "Tiny Tinkers" there.
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Post by Falconer on Jan 30, 2008 13:09:25 GMT -5
or just replace Greyhawk with Yggsburgh and redraw the map a bit. That will be my approach.
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Post by Scott on Jan 30, 2008 13:12:35 GMT -5
I've kicked it around a few ways. I'm sure I'll be redrawing the map, but I haven't decided if I should keep Greyhawk/Dunfalcon, or just replace it outright. I like the palatine nobles listed, so I suppose I would need to consider them in the map also.
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Post by ghul on Jan 30, 2008 14:35:13 GMT -5
I have it as th OP mentions, between the Ery and Neen. It is a small, independent "Free Town" pretty much midway between Greyhawk and Hardby. As such, it conducts a fair amount of trade with those cities. I think it fits rather nicely, except that Greyhawk City is a lot closer than the hardback states Dunfalcon City to be (about 60 miles versus 200, if I'm not mistaken).
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Post by Scott on Jan 30, 2008 15:05:05 GMT -5
I think other than the geographical similarities created by the confluence of some rivers Yggsburgh doesn’t really mesh with the Greyhawk setting at all as written. The location of Greyhawk/Dunfalcon doesn’t match, the location of the Castle doesn’t match, and the history of the area certainly doesn’t match. It isn’t that I don’t think it could be used, I just don’t think it is the natural fit that others think it is; too much Greyhawk material has to be dismissed. That’s fine; it just means that the fit isn’t that natural. The more I think about it, the option I think I am going to go with is to replace the area of the Darlene map with material that more closely resembles the Yggsburgh material and tinker with the history.
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Post by ghul on Jan 30, 2008 15:38:58 GMT -5
Well, of course it takes some tinkering on the part of DM, as you have the whole history of Greyhawk City with Zagig as mayor and the castle right there next to the city. How to reconcile this with the Yggsburgh material is of course up to the DM. That being said, let us know how you go about it when you come to a resolution.
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Post by geneweigel on Jan 30, 2008 16:19:51 GMT -5
Yggsburgh is a published derivative of the seminal town from the Gygax campaign so technically this would make it the "old city" in the unpublished derivative GHC. So thats another more involved approach to consider by ruining it a little to bring it to the "prison workhouse era". But why wreck something thats already pre-made? Especially because the larger "new city" will be left wanting if you go that route. Then when the big ass city is published it'll contradict it anyway. You can always make alternate worlds of "Goerth" and "Zoerth" in true Gygax fashion for these locales and just shift back and forth. I mean "Foerth"...
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Post by ghul on Jan 30, 2008 16:39:40 GMT -5
LOL, you crack me up Gene. And good points as well. BTW: speaking of "prison workhouse" I have the Yggsburgh Workhouse in my Town Halls module. The workhouse itself (one large encounter area, is also available for free in the back of the free C&C Quickstart rules: www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?products_id=28543&it=1When I drafted this location, I did it with a chip on my shoulder, completely sick of adventures I'd seen where they have all these orphanages for poor little parent-less kids. Orphanages my arse! Throw them in the Workhouse! Cheers, --JeffT
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Post by GT on Jan 30, 2008 18:40:35 GMT -5
I just plopped it down there by the confluence of the rivers south of Greyhawk, and ignored the "distance to theCastle". The rest actually works in pretty well...
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Post by GT on Jan 30, 2008 18:42:59 GMT -5
Speaking of Workhouses... YOU GOT THAT CASTLE STUFF FINISHED YET, "LITTLE ORPHAN GHULY"? ^__^
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Post by GRWelsh on Jan 30, 2008 18:45:21 GMT -5
I agree with Gene, Yggsburgh is on an alternate Prime Material Plane -- Zoerth or whatever. It simply doesn't fit into Greyhawk's World, as written. If Castle Zagyg is right outside of Yggsburgh... then what is the ruins right outside of Greyhawk City? I guess you could ignore the Castle Zagyg reference in Yggsburgh, and just move that material to Castle Greyhawk. I guess I don't see any major problem putting Yggsburgh on the Ery and Neen if that's what you really want to do... you can always come up with explanations for such questions such as "How can a city so close to Greyhawk be separate and free?" and so on. To my thinking, it would be a shame not to use that wonderful Darlene map, in classic Greyhawk campaigns. It's so much more "Greyhawk" in flavor than anything else I'd seen in twenty years!
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Post by GT on Jan 30, 2008 18:51:55 GMT -5
I agree with Gene, Yggsburgh is on an alternate Prime Material Plane -- Zoerth or whatever. It simply doesn't fit into Greyhawk's World, as written. If Castle Zagyg is right outside of Yggsburgh... then what is the ruins right outside of Greyhawk City? I guess you could ignore the Castle Zagyg reference in Yggsburgh, and just move that material to Castle Greyhawk. I guess I don't see any major problem putting Yggsburgh on the Ery and Neen if that's what you really want to do... you can always come up with explanations for such questions such as "How can a city so close to Greyhawk be separate and free?" and so on. To my thinking, it would be a shame not to use that wonderful Darlene map, in classic Greyhawk campaigns. It's so much more "Greyhawk" in flavor than anything else I'd seen in twenty years! Well, even in the Yggsburgh universe, Dunfalcon (=Greyhawk) is a larger city to the north. Compare the area and population of traditional Greyhawk to Yggsburgh--you'll see that the actual "City" is much larger...
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Post by GT on Jan 30, 2008 18:57:47 GMT -5
Also, note that each of those hexes are 1 mile, so the Castle (off the map) is more than 30 miles away!
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Post by GT on Jan 30, 2008 19:35:24 GMT -5
OK... it's not "off the map", and it's only 24 miles away... Still... ^__^
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Post by GRWelsh on Jan 30, 2008 20:43:04 GMT -5
I don't disagree... I mainly look at the World of Yggsburgh as being on an alternate Oerth, but with a very similar "flavor" -- and it just so happens (being written by EGG, so it's no surprise) that it's closer to the feel, if not the exact details, than anything else produced for the World of Greyhawk in two decades.
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Post by ghul on Jan 30, 2008 21:36:49 GMT -5
Speaking of Workhouses... YOU GOT THAT CASTLE STUFF FINISHED YET, "LITTLE ORPHAN GHULY"? ^__^ GT, if we ever play D&D together the first thing I'm going to do is make an example of you for the whole party to marvel at. It will go something like this: "You are a band of adventurers prepared to explore the ancient ruins now infested with humanoids and other fell things. You have pitched camp in the forest outside said ruins. When your party awakens, you realize that one of your number is dead, a giant, bloated tick presently affixed to his arse." Okay, GT, you can roll up a new character now. I'll work you in at some ideal point later in the game. I promise. Really. ;D
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Post by Rhuvein on Jan 30, 2008 23:50:24 GMT -5
When your party awakens, you realize that one of your number is dead, a giant, bloated tick presently affixed to his arse. OMGosh is that funny. "Giant, bloated tick!!!" ;D So Ghul, are you saying that GT has a huge ass or was the tick tiny???
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Post by GT on Jan 31, 2008 0:43:58 GMT -5
When your party awakens, you realize that one of your number is dead, a giant, bloated tick presently affixed to his arse. That's fine as long as that "number" isn't me; and leave donkeys outta this, Mister!!! BTW, Stephen and Gary have both consented to allow me to run all monster encounters at LGGC... "What do you mean the creatures attack Jeff's PC... again!!?" Heh!
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Post by GT on Jan 31, 2008 0:46:17 GMT -5
Think of Yggsburgh to Greyhawk as Merrilville to Chicago...
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