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Post by geneweigel on Jul 25, 2016 13:24:23 GMT -5
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Post by GRWelsh on Jul 25, 2016 14:13:55 GMT -5
I have a "wait and see" attitude. There are so few fantasy movies that are well made, that I just don't have a lot of reason to be hopeful. I think it all hinges on the screenwriter -- he'll either get it right, or he won't. If he doesn't, none of the other stuff -- director, budget, cast -- will mean a damn thing.
The idea that they are after a mythical treasure gives me a glimmer of hope, because that is at least different than the "chosen one who must defeat the Dark Forces" trope that nearly every fantasy film screenwriter seems obligated to use.
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"You are the chosen one," the old wizard said to the young man, "And only you can defeat the Dark Forces, and to do that you must--"
The young man held up his hand. "Stop right there, old timer. All I care about is getting the lost treasure."
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Post by geneweigel on Jul 25, 2016 15:03:04 GMT -5
It could be but I've been citing GULLIVER'S TRAVELS (2010) as a good example of a Hollywood shit shandwich for years now and thats the same director so thats not a good sign.
Hopefully the line about band of mystical creatures is referring to a party of some kind and not some weird angle for a Beastmaster redo.
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Post by foster1941 on Jul 27, 2016 13:06:34 GMT -5
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Post by geneweigel on Jul 27, 2016 13:54:57 GMT -5
It sounds cool. I think that she needs to hand it over to someone who isn't going to cheapen it like Gary's last few outings with various publishers. Its an endless cycle of should I bash Christopher Clark, the Chenault Brothers, and maybe GDW but in the end they all had their best interests in mind regarding Gary. I don't recall Gary ever saying a sour thing about any of them. Even that Castle Zagyg quickie map guy had Gary saying positive things. Honestly? I think thats why Gary appreciated and fed my frank nature so all the deviltry can be out of his creative zone!  This sounds like it can have many possibilities perhaps even to reunite the Gygax properties with D&D in the future which would be awesome for everyone. |
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Post by GRWelsh on Jul 28, 2016 7:03:48 GMT -5
That's certainly intriguing, but I'm afraid that going forward we're going to be continuously fed these sorts of hints without the payoff... A holy grail kept just out of reach! Let's hope I'm wrong.
What 'Gygax universe' is being referred to, here? What would be unpublished at the time of EGG's death? Notes on deeper levels of Castle Zagyg, and game material for Lejendary Adventure, but what else? Realistically, I'm not sure what else there would be. Perhaps some old DJ stuff from the 90's. Maybe a binder with some maps and notes EGG used to run OD&D Greyhawk Dungeons... Maybe a few fragments along the lines of "Teeth of Barkash Nour" here and there, but how many of those could be in a finished form -- if any?
I'm skeptical of a "secret hoard" of unpublished Gygax works that is mind-blowing but that the public never actually gets to see.
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Post by geneweigel on Jul 28, 2016 7:54:48 GMT -5
I'd guess its all the AD&D flavored stuff that was off limits that would have been restored if they gave Gygax creative control over Third Edition which I told you was in the works but WOTC bailed on it (and the non-pseudo-D&D fans). That shit really happened and we instead got "feats" and steroids to appease the collectible toy crowd and they just need to get the coolness back at this point. Its all Gygaxless nerd dribbles. So he has a point.
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Post by GRWelsh on Jul 28, 2016 9:49:28 GMT -5
I didn't realize there was ever even a possibility of EGG having creative control over 3e D&D. I always had the impression that they wanted EGG's endorsement but not his involvement, meaning they wanted to use his name to give some legitimacy and appeal to the edition, without having to actually cede any control. There may have been some good intentions, but I thought it played out as them stringing him along in order to get him to say nice things about 3e and act like he approved of it.
It's heartbreaking to remember that after the sale of TSR to WoTC there was a strong implication of a "new dawn" with EGG getting reunited with D&D. And then none of it panned out.
"Hey look! We've reached out to Gary Gygax, and we're saying nice things about him! And a new edition of D&D is in the works! Maybe -- wink, wink -- we'll be collaborating..."
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Post by geneweigel on Jul 28, 2016 9:53:39 GMT -5
yeah, all those designers were the back up plan when the deal fell through.
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Post by GRWelsh on Jul 28, 2016 9:56:17 GMT -5
What made the deal fall through?
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Post by geneweigel on Jul 28, 2016 10:36:13 GMT -5
What was it? SPACEBALLS 2 THE QUEST FOR CASH?
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Post by geneweigel on Jul 28, 2016 10:40:20 GMT -5
The timeline was: someone clipped an article for me in the 90s from a newspaper saying EGG was returning to d&d, gygax emails me about gh map, i respond with my psycho "wtf d&d yo" and tells me the deal is on and then a few months after the deal was off
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Post by foster1941 on Jul 28, 2016 11:38:17 GMT -5
Well, that's a lot more intriguing sounding than a couple of unpublished Lejendary Earth gazetteers and unfinished novel drafts. The questions are 1) whether the Gygax estate has the legal right to make use of any of that stuff (I remember hearing back in the C&C days that Gary had particular personal restrictions on what he was able to with regard to D&D that didn't apply to other folks, which was one of the reasons he wasn't more involved on the rules-side of that game, but I have no idea if that was based on anything other than speculation, or if those restrictions would apply to his heirs), and 2) whether the Hollywood guy even has any interest in pursuing game-type publishing or is solely interested in "Castle Zagyg: The Movie" (which is what the article sounds like). But certainly an alternate vision of AD&D 3rd edition from Gary Gygax's archive is an attention-getter, and if a deal could be reached with Hasbro and WB to bring it within the brand-family so that it could use the D&D name and the actual World of Greyhawk instead of the offputting Yggsburgh/Castle Zagyg workaround that would be a literal game-changer. Hopefully the deal would be made by people at Hasbro and WB who see the big-picture potential and wouldn't have input from the nerds at Wizards of the Coast who are desperate to protect their turf and preserve the "canon" of the past 30 years.
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Post by geneweigel on Aug 19, 2016 15:01:47 GMT -5
Rob Kuntz chimed in on this: lakegenevaoriginalrpg.blogspot.com/2016/08/more-of-same.htmlI would hope that they consult Rob just for the hell of it but I could say the same about Ernie Gygax as well. Not to play their characters or anything ( I"m sure they couldn't act their way out of a papr bag!) but for insight. |
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