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Post by GRWelsh on Oct 9, 2015 13:27:59 GMT -5
I finally saw this, and overall really enjoyed it, but I do have some criticisms. Although technically astounding, the relentless barrages of circus-like stunts were eventually just distracting. It could have been called MAX MAX: CIRQUE DU SOLEIL, and that would have been completely appropriate. And I kept wondering -- when did civilization end? How long would it take for these post-apocalyptic civilizations to spring up and develop, with their own cultures, slang and religions? It felt like several generations must have lived since the end of civilization. How old is Max supposed to be at this point? It doesn't all seem to add up. There probably are answers, and I just don't know what they are -- because the attention to detail in this movie was incredible.
Also, it made want to play GAMMA WORLD again.
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Post by Scott on Oct 9, 2015 13:58:47 GMT -5
I hated it, but I seem to be the only one.
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Post by geneweigel on Oct 9, 2015 14:15:22 GMT -5
All I kept thinking was it was like running into a friend's ex-wife who always buddied up and its just inappropriate now...
That said the kids were like, "What is this crap?" and I felt they were being too hard on it. I enjoyed it but like I insinuated above it felt funny without "Mad Mel".
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Post by GRWelsh on Oct 9, 2015 14:34:15 GMT -5
I had no problem with Tom Hardy playing Mad Max. As much as I liked Mel Gibson in the previous movies, this change was a completely neutral factor for me.
I think I'm the kind of person who gives a movie a pass on other flaws it may have, when I see the loving care a director and/or production team puts into all the artwork and background detail.
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Post by geneweigel on Oct 9, 2015 15:08:38 GMT -5
It seemed like an old man's role. The non-interest in the women, etc so I think Hardy was a fill in.
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Post by GRWelsh on Oct 11, 2015 10:31:33 GMT -5
According to this article, the movie was originally supposed start shooting when Mel would have been around 45. So, I don't think it was envisioned as being an old man's role.
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Post by geneweigel on Oct 11, 2015 20:14:24 GMT -5
If you watch them all in sequence you'll see what I mean. In the third one he is old and grey so we mightt assume that whatever they're saying, about Mad Max not being old, is just to cover their tracks after the PC police squashed their plans.
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Post by Scott on Oct 12, 2015 7:09:57 GMT -5
I think they took a script that was originally part of the original timeline, and then modified it into a re-boot. The timeline is very confusing. The opening sequences imply that it's a re-boot. But as was pointed out earlier, that really makes the Immortan Joe civilization, or anything close, unplausible. Even after a couple generations that seems silly. Same with the women Furiosa is going to meet.
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Post by GRWelsh on Oct 12, 2015 7:39:16 GMT -5
Yes, it is confusing. You could be right about a re-worked script. On another website, I found this:
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Post by Scott on Oct 12, 2015 8:25:19 GMT -5
I found the whole thing to be over the top cartoony and and Max character was more or less a plot device.
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Post by geneweigel on Oct 12, 2015 9:40:27 GMT -5
I don't know, thinking about this for some time, aren't these the same people who foisted Mel Gibson on popular culture in the first place? Shouldn't they have been aware that, before mountains of cash, fame and various opulence was dumped on this guy, that he was angry, drunk and overly religious? In regards to Mel Gibson's behavior, I would kick his ass if he talked drunkenly like that in my home. That said, I still like the guy's movies. Why should I have to change my opinion because of thin-skinned reactions?
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Post by GRWelsh on Oct 12, 2015 11:39:21 GMT -5
I still can't believe how Mel torpedoed himself the way he did. It almost looked like deliberate self-destruction and a desire to alienate everyone, as if he were turning into one of the crazy characters he's best known for.
But even Mad Max would have the sense not to make anti-Semitic comments if they were the ones providing him his 'fuel'!
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Post by Scott on Oct 12, 2015 11:49:39 GMT -5
I think most of his highlight reel happened after too much fuel.
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Post by GRWelsh on Oct 12, 2015 15:03:34 GMT -5
After reading various George Miller interviews, I can see that I'm wasting my time thinking about this stuff. If I were able to ask him the questions directly, I'm sure he'd say things like "These are legends" and "Max is an unreliable narrator," and and so on. But I can't help it, that's just the way I'm wired. As I was watching it, my mind kept trying to form a timeline and make sense of it all, and how this movie relates to the other three, the flashbacks and who was in them, etc.
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