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Post by geneweigel on Nov 4, 2013 9:13:33 GMT -5
In regards to astrology I meant "anymore" compared to lets say 4000 years ago when the symbols were first associated.
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Post by GRWelsh on Nov 4, 2013 9:22:43 GMT -5
Right, it's like the more you know, the harder it is to connect these dots anymore and so it becomes necessarily incoherent.
Astrology is the result of humanity looking for patterns and associations. That's what we do. But it is just one of those examples of our 'pattern-recognition software' running amok. Like Jesus's face on toast or Nixon's on an eggplant.
So, with the Devil's hour -- even if you remove the quirk of Daylight Savings Time -- you end up with this moving target following an imaginary terminator around the globe to keep it 3:00 AM for every Time Zone. It conjures up images of demons watching clocks on the walls of hell like at international airports that show all the local times. Bored and drinking coffee and waiting for it to be 3:00 AM at your particular town so they can visit earth and scare you when you get up for a piss.
The more you think about it, the more it seems impossible to remove the idea that time is ultimately just an arbitrary human creation. 3 AM EST is just an "average" that applies to places like Maine, Massachussetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Indiana, even though in reality, the terminator hits them all at different times. It can't actually be 3 AM at all of these places, just because they're in the same "time zone" created by human beings.
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Post by geneweigel on Nov 4, 2013 12:14:38 GMT -5
Mosquito snack time around here is usually 3AM. I wonder if that is tied in there somehow either for or against. For: Demons are like fucking nocturnal animals... Against: It was just a damn mosquito that woke you up to hear shit that happens all night in this old house...
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Post by GRWelsh on Nov 4, 2013 13:31:38 GMT -5
Against: Waking up in the middle of the night is one of the signs of middle age.
Against: If you drank too much before going to bed, you're probably going to wake up in the middle of the night needing to piss.
Against: your psychology can affect when you wake up, such as training yourself to always wake up at a certain time, like 6 AM.
I've always wondered about the demons and ghosts being nocturnal thing, and the "importance of being mysterious." Why would immaterial entities care if it's day or night when manifesting, or if crowds of people are around, or if TV cameras record them? What would the explanation for that be?
For: Maybe they can only interact with the material world through a human medium and in order for that to happen humans must be 'psychologically primed' and in a certain kind of mental state. So it is not so much about objective earthly conditions, it's about human psychological or spiritual conditions.
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Post by GRWelsh on Dec 4, 2013 8:57:02 GMT -5
I finally got to watch this movie. I really enjoyed it. Vera Farmiga was the highlight.
The only downside to the movie was that it didn't really introduce anything new. The whole movie was well done but I kept having this sense that I'd seen it all done before. Not done better -- but done before.
*** SPOILERS ***
I still don't understand the title, though. What was conjured? Maybe it was supposed to be a reference to Bathsheba conjuring up Satan with her child sacrifice? That is what kicked off the whole chain of events in that house, so I suppose that would have to be it. But I don't remember them specifically using the term 'conjure' in the movie.
The part where they explained how the witch cursed everyone who would take her land and declared her love for Satan and then hung herself almost seemed banal.
Sometimes I think things are scarier when they aren't totally explained.
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Post by geneweigel on Dec 4, 2013 10:22:11 GMT -5
<<<SPOILER>>>
I thought it had something to do with that mirror box being a sort of failed dimension door spell where the magic-user is trapped in the Astral plane until a dispel magic is cast but in this case it was the half-wit and crazed "witch" held into some kind of limbo by her addled "magical thinking" until brought out by more "magic think" i.e. the mirror of the box which release her spirit, etc..
Or it could be a sort of magic jar spell where the "witch" was directly in the mirror of the box somehow.
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Post by GRWelsh on Dec 4, 2013 10:50:35 GMT -5
The mirror box was found by the youngest daughter outside by the hanging tree, and it seemed to be the catalyst for her getting in contact with the ghost-boy, who for the most part seemed harmless or just mischievious. It was one of the items from his hiding place between the walls, as Lorraine Warren discovered based on the dust marks.
There were multiple ghosts in the house, and my impression is they were all sort of under the control of a guiding demonic force, which was the spirit of the witch: the little boy who was killed by his mother in the 1930's, his mother who committed suicide ("look what she made me do," with the body of her little boy), the maid from a nearby house who committed suicide ("look what she made me do" with the slit wrists), and then there were the birds that were controlled and forced to fly into the house or through the windows.
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Post by geneweigel on Dec 4, 2013 12:11:09 GMT -5
I definitely had the feeling they were implying that the ghost kid previously did a similar thing with the mirror. Its a little confusing so thats good!
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Post by GRWelsh on Dec 4, 2013 13:42:47 GMT -5
Something else notable about this movie is that it only cost $20 million to make, but grossed over $300 million. That's some profit margin!
The best parts didn't even need special effects, like the scene where the mother goes down into the basement and the scene when the one girl sees something in the darkness behind the door where her sister was (even though the audience couldn't).
"It's standing right behind you."
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