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Post by Scott on Aug 15, 2008 10:35:51 GMT -5
For a long time, if you used 1E and wanted any published support, you were in for a lot of conversion work. Then things seemed to start looking up. Rob was becoming a presence. Gary, working with TLG was making a buzz. Lots of good material seemed to be in the works. Now things are starting to look hazy. Rob appears to be unreliable. Gary has passed and Gail seems to be doing some serious rethinking. CZ II should be on the way, but after that things aren't so clear. CZ III is still listed on the Trolls site, but all of the other CZ products have been removed. Things don't look so good, but only time will tell.
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Post by geneweigel on Aug 15, 2008 11:46:29 GMT -5
Really? I wasn't aware of that. I thought TLG was publishing the whole thing? I was thinking of using my new rules prototype for the next game and phasing out the usage of D&D. Now that Gary is gone there is little initiative left on my part to keep the old flame going that D&D is going to turn around anway. Frankly, I'm still skeptical of anything that is new's value these days. Gary passed without a blink across the spectrum about the deteriation of the D&D name/game. Lots of jazz going on about him being a champion of geekiness, etc. on the web. Doesn't sound like the Gary I knew... Anyway, I'm still doing stuff for publication. Just..need..more...time... BTW: I guess LA is over. Well, it was okay for certain elements if you wanted convert it to D&D. Was ther anything "new" in the TLG rerelease?
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Post by Scott on Aug 15, 2008 13:02:55 GMT -5
According to the 'pro' Gail hired, LA will be re-launched by Gygax Games.
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Post by grodog on Aug 15, 2008 13:07:43 GMT -5
If you guys haven't checked out Fight On! @ www.fightonmagazine.com/ it's got some worthwhile stuff within (though it is more OD&D focused vs. AD&D). Knockspell is also in the works, but it'll be a bit more broadly-focused (and will be OGL-based, which Fight On! isn't); details on that @ www.swordsandwizardry.com/blog/?p=16
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Post by geneweigel on Aug 26, 2008 9:12:20 GMT -5
According to the 'pro' Gail hired, LA will be re-launched by Gygax Games. Well, thats a mouthful. I'm checking out all the posts about it now....Ahhhh...at least now I see what was really going on with that game now that its been brought into the light. That is, it wasn't Gary's world apparently. Well, now that is something that makes sense to me. I guess they wanted to keep the illusion that it was a another Greyhawk for as long as possible. I didn't see it though thats why I was interested in giving it a little boost way back when. So I guess they're really not going to have a another Greyhawk for it now! I get the quiff that something ain't right, with parallels beings drawn to Roddenberry already. Honestly? I'd like to see unpublished Gygax stuff lets just hope they dilute it in a way that brings his style to it and not turn it into something that looks like the previews for the Legendary computer game that was stuck in dev hell! Har!
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Post by geneweigel on Aug 26, 2008 9:42:24 GMT -5
If you guys haven't checked out Fight On! @ www.fightonmagazine.com/ it's got some worthwhile stuff within (though it is more OD&D focused vs. AD&D). Knockspell is also in the works, but it'll be a bit more broadly-focused (and will be OGL-based, which Fight On! isn't); details on that @ www.swordsandwizardry.com/blog/?p=16These seem similiar to what I've already seen before in free versions. I'd like to see a mag with a visible policy of "content intolerance" instead of just loose rpg ideas presented crudely to make them "old school". For the record, Gary Gygax never designed crudely. It was his savvy for sophisticated content that made D&D such a hit. His germinating vernacular was what made all the detritus of small publishing company's material look usable. If they have to reach back to that "elder record" for support then these "ships" can't "float". The "magic goes away" so to speak. What needs to be done is a magazine that says "UP YOURS" to the "fantasy establishment". Then they can really thrive off something like that. I want to read something that raises banners and sorties out at all comers. A flagship of doom! A metallic quasi-dragon of ultimate peril for the zombies of gamedom! HARK! Tis the battle-dirge of the doom riders! RIDE!!! Er... What was I saying?
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Post by Scott on Aug 26, 2008 9:47:20 GMT -5
I asked Gary about LEarth a while ago, and shot down any notions I had about Greyhawk being hidden in there somewhere. For unpublished D&D material, C&C is probably the best vehicle available.
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Post by geneweigel on Aug 26, 2008 10:08:10 GMT -5
Yeah, thats the only thing that I see for now. At least until CZ is finalized.
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Post by geneweigel on Aug 26, 2008 11:07:32 GMT -5
Say...what was removed regarding CZ that you mentioned in the first post?
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Post by Scott on Aug 26, 2008 11:21:01 GMT -5
The rest of the Yggsburgh town sections plus a series of demi-planes linked to the dungeons are currently in Limbo.
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Post by geneweigel on Aug 26, 2008 11:52:59 GMT -5
I see, because they weren't written by Gary they are still expanded on his material so they don't want to get it muddled up. That makes sense especially since they're moving away from the property. So I guess we're just lucky that the dungeon is going to be finalized! Well, we're used to getting the rugs pulled out so ain't nothing new... I just hope the dungeon gets finished without more business maneuvers on anybody's part...
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Post by Scott on Aug 26, 2008 11:56:19 GMT -5
Yes, that's the big issue. Some of the demi-planes were based on original adjuncts, some were new. There's at least one original, Fooling Around, that I don't know of making the CZ leap.
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Post by geneweigel on Aug 26, 2008 12:05:08 GMT -5
It is kind of sad that now I have to consider his stuff in a way sort of like late 80's D&D (i.e. publishers scrambling for identity in his absence, etc.).
BTW, how much "Gary Gygax" is in Yggsburgh anyway? The book really seemed rather "different" than what I was expecting. Was that written by somebody else?
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Post by geneweigel on Aug 26, 2008 12:11:05 GMT -5
Well, I guess we'll just have to sort it out as it arrives at this point. I just realized something. It was alright to talk about Gary so much while he was around as he was cool about it but what about now? Is it cool anymore? I just had this feeling of a shadow going over my keyboard... THE EYE! THE EYE!
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Post by Scott on Aug 26, 2008 12:25:16 GMT -5
It's very Gygax. Same with CZ. But often not in his own words. Sometimes it's more obvious than others, but at the core, it's Gygax. Gary's notes included the important details, and the 'writers' turned the notes into publishable text. Gary also accepted the creativity of his writers to add their own stuff, but he reviewed it for quality and compatability.
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Post by geneweigel on Aug 26, 2008 12:57:04 GMT -5
Some YB reminds me of the GHC stuff he talked about but if it went "quasi-New World-ish" instead of "quasi-medieval-ish".
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Post by Scott on Aug 26, 2008 13:02:35 GMT -5
The Greyhawk detailed in the Gord stories is different than Greyhawk as Gary would describe it when asked. Yggsburgh matches Aerth, which matches the Greyhawk that Gary would describe when asked. Gary sure wasn’t a stickler for consistency.
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Post by Scott on Aug 26, 2008 14:02:00 GMT -5
Greyhawk, as EGG concieved it, did some considerable evolving it seems, so I guess that explains some of the inconsistencies. On an individual product basis, Gary's stuff is top notch, but they don't weave a great web.
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Post by geneweigel on Aug 26, 2008 14:07:21 GMT -5
Its a confusing place that GHC!
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Post by Scott on Aug 26, 2008 14:14:18 GMT -5
it gives us lots to talk about.
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