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Post by Scott on Aug 12, 2008 8:59:29 GMT -5
Do you think a being confined within a magical diagram could be scried/located by magical means? I would say no, but it is not stated anywhere.
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Post by amalric on Aug 12, 2008 9:43:56 GMT -5
I would say no.
I guess it could be argued that unless the enchantment specifically states that it blocks magical scrying, then location is possible. But I would rule against it. Magical location of someone in an 'ordinary' cell is possible, obviously, but I would say that magical imprisonment is not ~ perhaps a vague sense or description of where the prisoner is being held could be gleaned, as an alternative ("somewhere in the Yatils", for example), but only to high-level spellcasters or divine entities.
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Post by maraudar on Aug 12, 2008 9:45:11 GMT -5
By definition the diagram is a barrier to contain or block the being within. That being said, as I understand it most diagrams used can be broken from the outside so I could see how someone attempting to scry or locate the being could be able to find them. The power containing the being isn't being used to misdirect or obfuscate simply hold. Pretty long winded way to say yeah they could be found  Maraudar |
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Post by geneweigel on Aug 12, 2008 12:01:53 GMT -5
I'd rule any obscurity would apply only to the relevant planar creatures that the diagram affects. For instance, devil #1 is searching for devil #2 who is the victim of an ensnarement spell and devil #2 is bound in a "magical circle" type diagram (works versus all devils and outer planes creatures of good). When devil #1 tries to scry for devil #2 then the scrying magic is muted by the user's innate "devilishness". If its just a earthbound guy who's scrying then it should be as easy as knowing what he's looking for.
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Post by GRWelsh on Aug 12, 2008 19:57:18 GMT -5
I would say, yes, the captive can be scried, unless additional magic is used to also prevent detection.
You would think the two would go hand in hand...
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Post by grodog on Aug 15, 2008 13:10:26 GMT -5
I like the idea of the magical circles, et al, not blocking scrying, since that's an additional threat to the caster: the summoned monster's demon prince/arch devil/etc. says "hmmm, no where did my major domo go?" and scries, and then gets one of his cultists to send a crack team to recover the imprisoned minion.
Adding another layer to the magical diagram, though, that would provide a mind-blank-link effect would be cool, and a worthwhile magical secret to track down....
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Post by geneweigel on Aug 26, 2008 9:57:21 GMT -5
I like the idea of the magical circles, et al, not blocking scrying, since that's an additional threat to the caster: the summoned monster's demon prince/arch devil/etc. says "hmmm, no where did my major domo go?" and scries, and then gets one of his cultists to send a crack team to recover the imprisoned minion. Adding another layer to the magical diagram, though, that would provide a mind-blank-link effect would be cool, and a worthwhile magical secret to track down.... Your example is the only instance that I see that it would be blocked. However, the game can become far more interesting if the entity's "boss" has to use an unaligned proxy. Making things more dynamic, etc. |
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