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Post by GT on Dec 8, 2007 22:11:56 GMT -5
...as in "uncontrollable laughter"?
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Post by Scott on Dec 8, 2007 22:19:31 GMT -5
It was the name of the little girl who mailed Gary the idea for the spell.
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Post by GT on Dec 8, 2007 22:26:13 GMT -5
Wow!! Thanks Scott! I never thought to ask about that til now... That's "very Gary"!
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Post by Scott on Dec 9, 2007 10:00:13 GMT -5
I just read an article that stated that Tasha was an early alias for Iggwilv. She was Zagig's apprentice at the time, circa 300 years ago. Does anybody know if this is official? It's so lame.
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Post by Scott on Dec 9, 2007 10:10:53 GMT -5
In the same article, Iuz, the Old One, is only about a hundred years old.
I think Tasha is in the Expedition to the Greyhawk Ruins, but I am not sure. I'll have to check when I get home.
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Post by grodog on Dec 9, 2007 16:56:27 GMT -5
Tasha as Iggwilv was done in the Dragon that covered the "Demonomicon of Iggwilv" book itself, in one of those columns (in Dragon 336 IIRC?), and it's definitely leveraged in EttRoG, though it may have also appeared in other articles (not sure, offhand).
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Post by GT on Dec 10, 2007 18:01:23 GMT -5
Now see--that's what ties my pelt in a knot... new editions taking something that's an unknown quantity (such as Rary, Tasha or an EEG) and forcing it into a "new" mold to be able to incorporate as much name-dropping as possible and watch the newbies go: "Ohhhhh... so that's who that is! Gosh!!"  |
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Post by geneweigel on Dec 10, 2007 19:07:46 GMT -5
They never even tried for any coherency since Isle of the Ape so its okay to unpelt that knot... Nah, you're right...throw a brick and you'll hit a gaff on any post-Gygax shit. And do me a favor... THROW IT HARD!  |
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Post by Scott on Dec 10, 2007 19:38:53 GMT -5
Pretty soon there's just going to be one character in official Greyhawk with a thousand aliases.
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Post by GRWelsh on Dec 12, 2007 22:59:42 GMT -5
I agree, it's lame and unimaginative. I'd rather leave the classical names mysterious and out there for DM's to develop, if they want to. A better usage would be for players to find yet another spell or magic item associated with the enigmatic Tasha -- another dweomer that forces opponents into a state of undignified helplessness... Hmmm, how Vancian.
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Post by geneweigel on Dec 12, 2007 23:57:56 GMT -5
Well, you can laugh about this stuff all day or you ca-... Wait a minute, there is no reason to stop laughing! The worst character revisitation was Roger Moore describing a Carl Sargent character and giving a drawn out explanation of her sex change into a man to torture her by her captors. I recall reading that in a bookstore about 10 years ago and thinking that had to be the most retarded thing that I've ever read. |
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Post by Scott on Dec 13, 2007 7:26:39 GMT -5
This was a standard practice in post-Gygax Greyhawk. The Greyhawk characters were turned into some sick, twisted, Hills Have Eyes type of inbred family. It comes off as some pathetic attempt to validate the later work by linking it to something Gary did, but at the same time, Gary is often minimized or ignored, or is some cases derided.
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Post by GT on Dec 13, 2007 10:28:52 GMT -5
I pulled out the Greyhawk Gazeteer that came out awhile back, and saw that "reconciliation" of the various versions of Greyhawk can never work for anybody who seriously played 1E. There were too many things that were just gotten wrong (or, not gotten at all!). The idea of reconciliation was maybe good (although I suspect a more commercial motive than anything else...), but it just can't be effective. Scrap the 2E onward (I do work in Rob's Rauxes and Maze stuff... ) and try to piece together the good bits that've been uncovered since--much as most of us have been doing anyway! ^__^
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Post by GT on Dec 13, 2007 10:32:11 GMT -5
Did any of you guys get the "Deep Dwarven Delve' from Lakofka? How was it in terms of furthering the Spindrift/Lendore area? I got bits and pieces of Frank's "Aquaria" and Steve's "Mistlands/planar" stuff, but Aquaria is a campaign unto itself, and the planar info is sketchy and not tied in... |
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Post by geneweigel on Dec 13, 2007 10:55:41 GMT -5
I briefly checked it out from a friend who had a copy and it seemed to be unremarkable from one those 3e style adventures.
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Post by Scott on Dec 13, 2007 11:01:32 GMT -5
I had a pdf copy, but not anymore.
It wasn't bad. Dungeony, which is always good. Nothing too original.
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Post by GT on Dec 13, 2007 11:04:05 GMT -5
I just did a quick online search, and apparently there were very few actual notes from Len used to produce it. They apparently got two things right: Dwarves and devils. Len is apparently making (made?) an online release of his original concept, called "Devilspawn" over at Dragonsfoot. Here we have more reconciliation to do (although not too difficult, IMO), in that Len didn't like Rob's presentation of the Spindrifts in the Dragon Notes From The World of Greyhawk article. From what I see, the Gazeteer, article and Len's modules can all be fit together fairly easily though.
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Post by grodog on Dec 14, 2007 21:34:01 GMT -5
IIRC, Len posted to Greytalk some years ago that he had the L3 ms., and was working to complete/polish it, but WotC apparently decided not to use his final ms. version in the Silver Anniversary set, which really pissed him off (they used whatever version of it that they had).
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