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Post by geneweigel on Apr 5, 2023 11:12:51 GMT -5
I just figured out what "Eli Tomorast" means. TSR METAL meaning the Blume family "tool and die maker" torturing "Arnelson".
Its so obvious.
TSR METAL - TOOL AND DIE
TSRMTL - OO A IE
LTMRST - EI A OO
LTMRST - EIOOA
E/L/I/T/O/M/O/R/A/ST
Coincidence? Subliminal creation? Or something else?
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Post by GRWelsh on Apr 6, 2023 7:29:44 GMT -5
I can't really fault you for treating Greyhawk names like puzzles to be solved, since so many of them are wordplays and anagrams with references to actual people. But in this case, I'm just not following the reasoning. Is "TSR METAL" a phrase that was actually used in the old days?
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 6, 2023 7:51:03 GMT -5
tool and die are called metal shops
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Post by Erik Larson on Apr 7, 2023 13:08:31 GMT -5
I just figured out what "Eli Tomorast" means. TSR METAL meaning the Blume family "tool and die maker" torturing "Arnelson". Its so obvious. TSR METAL - TOOL AND DIE TSRMTL - OO A IE LTMRST - EI A OO LTMRST - EIOOA E/L/I/T/O/M/O/R/A/ST Coincidence? Subliminal creation? Or something else? I'm struggling with the Blume family and the TSR Metal Tool & Die association. Did they actually have a tool & die company? |
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 7, 2023 15:09:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't like to go over "TSR history" because there is always some frothing ex-employee of TSR (Example: Mike Breault, Mike Mornard, etc) who scours the internet looking for people talking about TSR to remind them that "THEY WERE THERE!".  So with the warning, that I am a secondhand purveyor of information, the TSR company was Don Kaye and Gary Gygax but couldn't get off the ground. Some gamer sleeping on Gary's couch named Bryan Blume said he could buy into a 3rd of the business because he was from a family of tool and die makers. Kaye died early and his family wanted out of the game business and the Blumes picked up the slack, I believe. That is honestly all I know from Gary because I never knew any of the history of Dave Arneson. And I was really anti-Arneson when I started talking to Gary and he straightened me out on Dave. So Gary's description to me was the word "metal" to describe what "tool and die" was. So I'm sure Rob thought of it as mostly metal working. My brain reads words backwards so I can do puzzles as long as someone asks I'll do it. |
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Post by Erik Larson on Apr 8, 2023 7:09:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't like to go over "TSR history" because there is always some frothing ex-employee of TSR (Example: Mike Breault, Mike Mornard, etc) who scours the internet looking for people talking about TSR to remind them that "THEY WERE THERE!". So with the warning, that I am a secondhand purveyor of information, the TSR company was Don Kaye and Gary Gygax but couldn't get off the ground. Some gamer sleeping on Gary's couch named Bryan Blume said he could buy into a 3rd of the business because he was from a family of tool and die makers. Kaye died early and his family wanted out of the game business and the Blumes picked up the slack, I believe. That is honestly all I know from Gary because I never knew any of the history of Dave Arneson. And I was really anti-Arneson when I started talking to Gary and he straightened me out on Dave. So Gary's description to me was the word "metal" to describe what "tool and die" was. So I'm sure Rob thought of it as mostly metal working. My brain reads words backwards so I can do puzzles as long as someone asks I'll do it. Thanks, Gene. That is very interesting. What little I could find about the Blumes just had them coming from Illinois. Everything else was sketchy. |
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 8, 2023 9:30:25 GMT -5
In the text of the adventure WG4 MORDENKAINEN'S FANTASTIC ADVENTURE (1984), a merchant named "Arnelson" is being tortured by Eli Tomorast's torturer so that is what led me down this path. On Knights and Knaves Alehouse forum, they were discussing monsters usability through the Monster Manual (1977) and I've been scouring through my classic modules (close to Gary's watch) to look for classic representation: www.knights-n-knaves.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=17345We just hit "Men, Merchant" so that got me rolling. |
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Post by GRWelsh on Apr 10, 2023 10:11:53 GMT -5
Did the Blumes torture Dave Arneson? If not physically then emotionally or metaphorically? From what I've read, there wasn't any particular animosity between Dave Arneson and the Blumes, although I could be ignorant of it. From what I know, EGG perceived Dave Arneson and Dave Megarry as attempting a hostile takeover in 1976 by motioning to add more directors to the board. Brian Blume, who could also vote on behalf of his father Melvin, stood loyal to EGG in denying the motion. After that there was bad blood between EGG and Arneson as well as Megarry, and thus we get Rannos Davl and Gremag in T1: The Village of Hommlet, and Chief Nosnra in G1: Steading of the Hill Giant Chief.
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 10, 2023 15:22:35 GMT -5
Froms Rob's view, being fired and heading to Mexico then returning and getting no admittance because Gary was not there was an early 1980s story that I heard from Rob.
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