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Post by mistere29 on Jan 27, 2005 15:31:58 GMT -5
Are there any good ways to classify Greyhawk gods ,perhaps by area or race (Suel, Flan, ect.) The point of which is to get an idea of what religion in a certian area would look like.
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Post by Scott on Jan 27, 2005 17:40:53 GMT -5
The gods, in most cases, are given a racial indicator.
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Post by mistere29 on Jan 28, 2005 9:09:35 GMT -5
What sources, other than the greyhawk boxed set, are there for the Gods. I think there are some Gods in dragon that were not in the boxed set.
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Post by Falconer on Jan 28, 2005 13:49:05 GMT -5
Dragon articles with gods in them--note that Gygax's gods were printed in WoG '83. Lakofka's are only in the magazines. Gygax's gods were Deities of the Central Flanaess (mostly Oeridian and Flan), Lakofka's were all Suel.
Gygax:
64: Raxivort
67: Heironeous, Hextor, Iuz, and Saint Cuthbert
68: Celestian, Fharlanghn, Ehlonna, Pholtus, and Tritherion
69: Istus and Obad-Hai
70: Boccob, Zagyg, and Olidammara
71: Erythnul, Incabulos, Nerull, Ralishaz, and Wastri
71: Heward, Keoghtom, Murlynd, and Kelanen (Quasi-deities)
Lakofka:
86: Lendor and Norebo
87: Kord and Phaulkon
88: Syrul, Fortubo, and Wee Jas
89: Pyremius, Beltar, and Llerg
90: Phyton, Xerbo, and Osprem
92: Lydia, Bralm, and Jascar
That's it! Regards.
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Post by mistere29 on Jan 28, 2005 15:34:01 GMT -5
Do the gord novels introduce any more gods. Do they expand on any exisiting ones.
Who wherethe nine demi-gods improsioned in the greyhawk dungeons?
Sorry for all the questions.
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Post by Falconer on Jan 28, 2005 16:44:00 GMT -5
The Nine are: Celestian, Erythnul, Heironeous, Hextor, Iuz, Obad-Hai, Olidammara, Ralishaz, and Trithereon.
As to the Gord novels, that's a rather hard question to answer. The novels mostly tend to ignore the term god and deity, classifying powers on their own terms. Nerull/Infestix and Iuz are the ones it deals with the most, and they are called a Daemon and Cambion, respectively.
Tharizdun (from module WG4 The Forgotten Temple of Tharizdun) is dealt with extensively in the novels. He is the epitome of Evil.
St. Trowbane is mentioned in the novels--Gene has done a good writeup on him.
There's a list of demons in the MM2--many of these appear in the novels to greater or lesser degree, plus many new ones. The six most powerful demons are said to be Orcus, Demogorgon, Lolth/Arachne, Zuggtmoy, Graz'zt, and Marduk (Marduk is a god in the DDG--just change his alignment from LN to CE), and the novels treat with them all except Lolth.
Deities named but not detailed in WoG '83 are sometimes mentioned. Zilchus and Procan come to mind.
Three uber-powers are mentioned which seem to epitomize Law, Neutrality, and Chaos: Proctor Chronos, Lady Tolerance, and Lord Entropy. Regards.
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Post by GT on Jan 29, 2005 13:58:08 GMT -5
The Marduk of the Gord novels is more akin to a "Super-Balor" than the four-eyed, four-eared god of the Babylonians who defeated Tiamat (Ancient History major talkin' here!). The Gord-version is more akin to the Judaeo-Christian demonification of the deity. Just "bump" a Balor up to the 200-or-so-HP range with an increase in power/better AC and you'll be close. The Greyhawk box set and DRAGON Suel articles pretty much cover everything from the Gygax-Era at TSR--the rest can be derived to close proximity.
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Post by mistere29 on Jan 31, 2005 12:25:33 GMT -5
I think i read this on the board before, but is there a god in the mythos that does/could epitomize good.
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Post by Falconer on Jan 31, 2005 20:27:57 GMT -5
Well, yeah. To the Christians, all non-Yahweh deities became demons. I still view Marduk the Demon as rather a noble demon. He has the air of a fallen god. It makes me think of some of Poul Anderson's fiction.
As far as stats, yeah, you could do better than the DDG. But it's still interesting to read the DDG to get some ideas about him.
Who epitomizes good? Gygax has hinted Pelor, I believe. No definitie answer, there. Regards.
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Post by mistere29 on Feb 1, 2005 10:37:13 GMT -5
I thought St. Trowbane was supposed to be Saint Cuthbert. Gene, is your write up posted online?
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Post by geneNyrond on Feb 1, 2005 11:15:38 GMT -5
I thought St. Trowbane was supposed to be Saint Cuthbert. Gene, is your write up posted online? No, I never got around to figuring out where to dump it since its tainted with Greyhawk material owned by WOTC but the whole Trowbane "hammer of the underworld" concept is owned by Gary although later detailed by me and Gary. It was originally intended for my "true blue Greyhawk" website but that site got axed due to concern over the constant threats and posturing (and that was just from me!  ) So until anybody makes a suggestion otherwise it'll be off the net. Grodog suggested doing something with it for Dragon a long ways back but I don't know about that. Well, I'd be scared. |
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Post by Falconer on Feb 1, 2005 13:57:03 GMT -5
Gene--
I can easily host it on my site, and I would be happy to do so.
If nothing else.
Let me know. Regards.
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Post by GeneNyrond on Feb 1, 2005 14:26:30 GMT -5
That would alright with me.
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Post by Falconer on Feb 1, 2005 17:17:10 GMT -5
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Post by geneweigel on Feb 1, 2005 20:55:36 GMT -5
Thanks!
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Post by GT on Feb 4, 2005 13:57:33 GMT -5
Falconer is correct-- I always thought maybe Rao, but sometime back Gary said Pelor was instrumental in helping imprison Tharizdun. That would rank that deity quite high in the heirarchy of Good! ^__^
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Post by tzelios on Jun 7, 2005 3:17:57 GMT -5
Trowbane is St. Cuthbert, per the OJ Gygax interview by Stormberg. I guess this is not a problem, since Gygax's assistance on creating an article is a lot more valuable than an interview of him.
I have to admit that I found Weigel's write up on Trowbane amazingly good!!! I will definitely use it. Thank you Gene Weigel!
However, we've got to answer what happened to St. Cuthbert during the Greyhawk Wars. Why is St. Cuthbert absent from the Gord novels?
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Post by tzelios on Jul 18, 2005 6:44:31 GMT -5
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