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Post by Scott on Jul 25, 2018 17:28:11 GMT -5
Are the bard colleges ranks within the order or locations, maybe both? Has anybody put any thought into this?
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Post by geneweigel on Jul 26, 2018 6:21:42 GMT -5
Its a school school. From POLYHEDRON #3 (NOV 1981) DISPEL CONFUSION:
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Post by geneweigel on Jul 26, 2018 6:36:39 GMT -5
As an aside, I never had any bard colleges specifically but they were part of THE college in "the city" which was visited many times as a catch all filled with "Mr Whoopee" types.
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Post by geneweigel on Jul 26, 2018 6:53:28 GMT -5
Wait, I found another related quote from POLYHEDRON #8 (OCT 1982) DISPEL CONFUSION:
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Post by GRWelsh on Jul 26, 2018 7:59:07 GMT -5
The colleges -- or Filean Gradations -- are definitely ranks within the order, but may possibly be locations also. Bards reaching certain levels are considered to be in certain colleges and will not associate with bards of lesser colleges until they become Magna Alumnae. That could be material to inspire adventuring... Seek out a Magna Alumnus for guidance, travel to the next college for further training, etc. "What do you mean Mac-Fuirmidh is in another dimension?!?" "Sorry, but it's not on Oerth -- it's in Scotland, on Earth!" There is a book titled HISTORICAL MEMOIRS OF THE IRISH BARDS: INTERSPERSED WITH ANECDOTES OF, AND OCCASIONAL OBSERVATIONS ON, IRISH MUSIC (1786) by Joseph C. Walker which may be the source of these college names. www.amazon.com/Historical-Memoirs-Irish-Joseph-Walker-ebook/dp/B007DA9MIQ
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Post by Scott on Jul 26, 2018 16:42:05 GMT -5
The first Poly response is disappointing since the bard rules are obviously very different than the dual class rules. I always assumed college was a rank, and not a location, but I was tossing around the idea of a physical location, but I don’t think so. You might find them visiting a druid’s grove, but for the most part they wander. Maybe the Magna Alumnae might settle down and build an almost temple like stronghold but that’s it.
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Post by Scott on Jul 26, 2018 16:43:39 GMT -5
I don’t think bards need to train like other classes, I don’t think they need a higher level tutor.
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Post by geneweigel on Jul 27, 2018 11:46:27 GMT -5
From the DMG on bard training: The first Poly response is disappointing since the bard rules are obviously very different than the dual class rules. I always assumed college was a rank, and not a location, but I was tossing around the idea of a physical location, but I don’t think so. You might find them visiting a druid’s grove, but for the most part they wander. Maybe the Magna Alumnae might settle down and build an almost temple like stronghold but that’s it. Here are some more education bits from Gord stories GREYHAWK ADVENTURES:SAGA OF OLD CITY (1985): From GORD THE ROGUE: DANCE OF DEMONS (1988): So he was a "druidic bard" then he learned this unknown variant bard. Is that what it means?
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Post by davegibsongreyhawkdm on Jul 27, 2018 12:08:05 GMT -5
From the DMG on bard training: The first Poly response is disappointing since the bard rules are obviously very different than the dual class rules. I always assumed college was a rank, and not a location, but I was tossing around the idea of a physical location, but I don’t think so. You might find them visiting a druid’s grove, but for the most part they wander. Maybe the Magna Alumnae might settle down and build an almost temple like stronghold but that’s it. Here are some more education bits from Gord stories GREYHAWK ADVENTURES:SAGA OF OLD CITY (1985): From GORD THE ROGUE: DANCE OF DEMONS (1988): So he was a "druidic bard" then he learned this unknown variant bard. Is that what it means? Is it possible Gellor is of the warrior-spy class that Gary had intended to eventual supplant the PHB monk class (with the PHB monk class transported over to oriental campaigns?
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Post by geneweigel on Jul 27, 2018 15:40:00 GMT -5
I have no idea every time that I brought up "Gygax Second Edition" with him it went right back to the lockdown on the office and saying he went on memory and different angles for other material later on.
That might be something to think about for my blog maybe after I cover some other areas first.
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Post by Scott on Jul 27, 2018 15:53:58 GMT -5
At some points in the Gord stories you start seeing the DJ ideas seeping in. The spell singer is a good example. The concept is much expanded and I think that may be where some me of those quotes may be coming from.
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Post by geneweigel on Jul 27, 2018 17:41:11 GMT -5
At some points in the Gord stories you start seeing the DJ ideas seeping in. The spell singer is a good example. The concept is much expanded and I think that may be where some me of those quotes may be coming from. I'm not certain but NECROPOLIS was originally for AD&D and that seems hard to translate in certain spots. Is there anything in DJ that was intended for Second Edition I wonder?
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Post by Scott on Jul 27, 2018 18:09:15 GMT -5
I know Gary ran it as a D&D adventure, but I was never sure it was written as a D&D adventure. I thought he ran it as D&D while the DJ rules were being developed. A lot of the concepts he mentioned for his 2nd edition, and some of that Gord material, appear in DJ: the mountebank, savant, mystic, there is the jester-like jongleur, skald, troubadour, minstrel.
Edit: spell check's been killing me today.
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Post by geneweigel on Jul 27, 2018 18:56:57 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm probably not the best person to be handling bard material as I can't stand the bard type players' "performances". It just might be my biggest D&D pet peeve.
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Post by Scott on Jul 27, 2018 19:09:18 GMT -5
I have a love/hate relationship with the bard experience. I have an 11th level bard PC that I haven't played in years who was always fun to play, but the class is kind of a mess, and the players that play bards tend to be the annoying, derail-the-adventure types. I like what I've read in Mythus where the different inspirations that were rolled into the 1E bard are more distinct. But I haven't had a chance to play one yet.
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