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Post by Scott on May 3, 2015 7:00:05 GMT -5
Me and the boys went to see it yesterday. Just a few thoughts now, since I'm at work. I'll post more as they come to me, and I get the time. Separating the movie from the comic history, it was pretty good. I thought the Ultron creation story was lame though. I enjoyed the humor. I liked how they adapted the Vision.
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Post by geneweigel on May 3, 2015 20:35:49 GMT -5
<<<<SPOILERS>>>
Yeah, the creation of the Vision was insane but cool at the same time.
The complete lack of Pym considering the ANT-MAN film is coming out was weird.
They were setting up a variant of the Hulk-free Avengers from the comics (Cap/Hawkeye/Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch) but they're jumping ahead with Black Widow, Vision, Rhodey and the really latecoming Falcon. How are they going to proceed without Hank McCoy and Simon Williams? Those two were the 70's and 80's Avengers' heart.
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Post by Scott on May 3, 2015 21:03:54 GMT -5
I'm holding out for a Devil Dinosaur movie.
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Post by geneweigel on May 4, 2015 8:42:14 GMT -5
To further what I was saying, I was really waiting for a Wonder Man (Simon Williams) reference because he only exists in Avengers comics as a villain turned hero. I think Zemo appears in Cap 3 so maybe they're waiting for the whole Masters of Evil thing to bring in "Wondy". Remember, we've had two Thor films without Thor's biggest combined solo AND Avengers foe: the Enchantress. So a "Masters" storyline is most likely on their hidden film development table I'm guessing.
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Post by Scott on May 4, 2015 10:36:08 GMT -5
That sounds like it would have worked with these Avengers, but not with the new team.
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Post by geneweigel on May 5, 2015 8:48:11 GMT -5
Yeah, the New Avengers (insinuated in "New Avengers Headquarters" at the end) was some kind of Captain America spin off of the 2000's with Wolverine, Spiderman and Luke Cage. I can't tell you anything more than that because I wasn't reading past the mid-90's.
I also know in the late 90's, that Baron Zemo (the son from the 80's not the dad from the 60's) had created a bogus superteam in the wake of the Avengers death called Thunderbolts and they were composed of the Masters of Evil in do-gooder guises.
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Post by geneweigel on May 5, 2015 9:32:40 GMT -5
I think in general Marvel got wonky in the 1980's although there are some moments of greatness later and some shitty moments from the 60's on up. Early shitty Marvel is probably pre-Starlin Captain Marvel and Warlock for sure. After Kirby leaves in the late 60's there is a huge deficit of quality but some held up pretty well like Buscema, Romita, Adams, etc. and then they really get their steam back with Perez, Byrne, Cockrum, Miller, etc. and that was around the time Kirby returned but I don't think they utilized him as well although some of that shit DEVIL DINOSAUR, MACHINE MAN, 2001, ETERNALS, etc. is awesome.
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Post by GRWelsh on May 5, 2015 9:58:15 GMT -5
I got into comics at a low point for Marvel (1975), at least for the superhero comics. But I didn't know any better, so it was all good. I'll never forget the first comic book I ever got -- I picked off of the rack in an Open Pantry and my Mom bought it for me. It was Marvel Team-up #33 Spider-man and Nighthawk: "Anyone here remember a guy called METEOR MAN???" (NO, because he's a recycled Spider-man villain from the Lee/Ditko era who was forgettable the first time around!). I have a fondness for comics of that era, but I think I realize it is mostly just nostalgia -- the writing is mostly formulaic crap, the artwork lazy: Sal Buscema was good at layout, but skimped on detail and used the same poses and actions scenes over and over again.
George Perez coming on board was a big deal, and his work on the Avengers was memorable -- especially #161-162: "Bride of Ultron"!
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Post by geneweigel on May 5, 2015 11:44:14 GMT -5
Heh, Sal Buscema was the crapper of comics when I was a kid and everyone knew it.
Kids would also bandy around crapper names like:
Herb Trimpe
Al Milgrom
Who were Marvel's go to replacement team for late shit it seemed.
and other quality guys of yesterday got steamrolled into the morass like Steve Ditko and Jack Kirby.
Others I just couldn't "get" was Carmine Infantino. He would just ruin everything with his stylized "Kirk Douglas-looking" universe.
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Post by geneweigel on May 5, 2015 11:47:32 GMT -5
When they put Ditko on Micronauts and Rom that was the biggest mistake of his career because they were so stylized as it was to bring his style to it just made kids freak out.
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Post by geneweigel on May 5, 2015 17:49:58 GMT -5
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