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Post by geneweigel on Nov 20, 2012 12:04:31 GMT -5
Heh it seems like he did this movie to say enough with the simplicity already! The scene with Ash ( who was my favorite in this movie because he reminded me of my dad... who was even scarier! ) when he is fascinated with it also mentions the biology as it replaces tissue with silicon: Ripley: That's amazing. What is it? Ash: Uh, yes, it is. Umm. I don't know yet. Did you want something? Ripley: Yes, I, uh... have a little talk. How's, uh, how's Kane? Ash: He's holding, no changes. Ripley: And, uh, our guest? Ash: Umm. Ripley: Hmm? Ash: Well, as I said, I'm still... collating, actually, but uh, I have confirmed that he's got an outer layer of protein polysaccharides. Has a funny habit of shedding his cells and replacing them with polarized silicon, which gives him a prolonged resistance to adverse environmental conditions. Is that enough? Ripley: That's plenty. What does it mean? [Ripley bends down to look through the micro-scanner] Ash: Please don't do that. Thank you. Ripley: I'm sorry. Ash: Well, it's an interesting combination of elements making him a... tough little son-of-a-bitch. Ripley: And you let him in. This scene was written off as its a silicon-based life form etc., etc., etc. but when plugged into the "kill me" scene with Dallas and Brett it makes it less easy to redirect into just a "space coating" and seems the real terror was microscopic along the the lines of THE CREEPING UNKNOWN (1955) aka QUATERMASS XPERIMENT which scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.
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Post by GRWelsh on Nov 20, 2012 12:29:55 GMT -5
I have always thought there are indicators in the first film that the alien is not a normal organism... it is "perfect" as Ash says, which I think is a clue. A perfect organism -- one could surmise -- wouldn't be one that evolved, it would be one that was designed. Another clue is how fast the alien grew. Now, you could write that off as expedient to the plot -- if it didn't grow fast and become a dangerous adult stalking the crew, you wouldn't have much of a monster movie. But thinking purely within the context of the movie, and leaving all meta-speculation aside, the alien grew from squirmy little chestburster to 8' tall monster with long coiling tail in what... a few hours? That was before it killed anyone else other than Kane. What did it eat? Where did all of that mass come from? Was it eating the metal from the hull of the ship?
I had the same questions about the 'trilobite' in PROMETHEUS. How did it grow so fast? Where did the nourishment and the mass come from -- while it was trapped in that room? These questions deserve answers.
This isn't just a species of alien parasitic wasp that somebody found on some swamp planet somewhere...
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Post by GRWelsh on Nov 20, 2012 12:36:48 GMT -5
I just thought of something else, in regards to the Engineers creating humans and being 100% DNA match to humans:
Where do chimpanzees fit in? They are a 96% DNA match to humans.
The Engineers creating humans idea makes less sense the more I think about it.
If they created and designed life on earth, why does it look like it all evolved?
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Post by geneweigel on Nov 20, 2012 13:24:47 GMT -5
Considering the development of ALIEN 3 it seems some of the writers felt the enigma of the original movie and attempted (badly) to capture that with all the monk-Jesus crap.
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Post by geneweigel on Nov 20, 2012 13:26:24 GMT -5
SNIP I had the same questions about the 'trilobite' in PROMETHEUS. How did it grow so fast? Where did the nourishment and the mass come from -- while it was trapped in that room? These questions deserve answers. This isn't just a species of alien parasitic wasp that somebody found on some swamp planet somewhere... I was thinking some kind of water-conversion. Remember the dripping water in that room?
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Post by geneweigel on Nov 20, 2012 14:02:28 GMT -5
I just thought of something else, in regards to the Engineers creating humans and being 100% DNA match to humans: Where do chimpanzees fit in? They are a 96% DNA match to humans. The Engineers creating humans idea makes less sense the more I think about it. If they created and designed life on earth, why does it look like it all evolved? Thats a good question. It might be all the "bricks" are broken down and then it returns to its form like perhaps a sponge is a good analogy if you put them in certain environs they falls apart and once its restored they return to the original shape. I don't know just speculating.
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Post by Scott on Nov 20, 2012 14:24:11 GMT -5
I was just reading some comments made by Ridley Scott. It sounds like his plans for the two additional movies are one direct sequel to Prometheus, and another film to be the bridge from the Prometheus films to Alien.
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Post by GRWelsh on Nov 20, 2012 14:24:18 GMT -5
Yes, I think you're on the right track, Gene -- it has to be some weird process, like drawing in water and nutrients at a molecular level -- something like that, if you're going to try to explain it at all.
I always interpreted the dripping water as just one of those details indicating the crew was on a leaky old ship. Harry Dean Stanton didn't seem surprised by the dripping water, either.
"Here, kitty, kitty, kitty. Here, Jonesy."
But who knows, maybe that dripping water is another 'clue' about the alien life cycle.
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Post by GRWelsh on Nov 20, 2012 14:31:49 GMT -5
I was just reading some comments made by Ridley Scott. It sounds like his plans for the two additional movies are one direct sequel to Prometheus, and another film to be the direct bridge from the Prometheus films to Alien. I'm glad to hear that. I was afraid PROMETHEUS would flop, and we'd never find out what the story was. Now, at least we'll get the story -- whether we are satisfied with it is something else entirely. A Ridley Scott visualization of an Alien/Engineer homeworld will make it all worth it, in my opinion! I can't wait to see that in IMAX 3D. He can have my money.
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Post by Scott on Nov 20, 2012 14:34:55 GMT -5
LOL, we have to get through Paradise first. And that has to be good enough for the studio to OK another movie after that.
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Post by GRWelsh on Nov 20, 2012 15:18:05 GMT -5
We also have to hope Ridley Scott lives long enough and stays in good enough health to complete the series. I hate to be morbid, but he is 74 years old!
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Post by Scott on Nov 20, 2012 15:29:02 GMT -5
Yeah, these have to move quickly, or chances are they'll fall by the wayside.
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Post by GRWelsh on Nov 23, 2012 8:46:58 GMT -5
On top of the two proposed sequels to PROMETHEUS, I hear he is also going to do a sequel to BLADE RUNNER and wants to get Harrison Ford to do a cameo.
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Post by geneweigel on Nov 23, 2012 12:34:35 GMT -5
I saw a section of one of the skyscrapers from BLADERUNNER at a museum and it kind of burst the bubble. Hey I thought Los Angeles was really like that... I just watched HOBO WITH A SHOTGUN (2011) the movie that they developed based on the bogus GRINDHOUSE (DEATHPROOF/PLANET TERROR) trailer. Even though he wasn't in the bogus trailer (which was hilarious) this "actual film" had Rutger Hauer as the hobo. WOWWWW!!! Talk about sad career choices.. That was such a big trip for him to fall down over with this film. It is so bad think Troma-style 1980's "DOI-YUHHH!!!" type violence. He was doing so well for a while but this is right back to his cliff dive at the end of the 80's all over again. And based on the fake trailer I can see why he wanted to do this. Fucking sad.
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Post by Scott on Nov 23, 2012 12:49:34 GMT -5
Rutger Haur made some terrible choices in the roles he's played. And he ended up being associated with bad movies. So he was a natural choice for the hobo.
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Post by geneweigel on Nov 23, 2012 13:10:41 GMT -5
Rutger Haur made some terrible choices in the roles he's played. And he ended up being associated with bad movies. So he was a natural choice for the hobo. It seemed that he was in some halfway decent parts in BATMAN BEGINS (2005) as the scumbag corporate guy and in SIN CITY (2005) as the cardinal which if you had followed the DARK HORSE PRESENTS comic series that SIN CITY was serialized in the early 1990's it almost seemed like the old Rutger was back for a while.
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Post by Scott on Nov 23, 2012 13:40:35 GMT -5
Yeah, the Batman Begins roll was good. I was no fan of Sin City though. I worked in a comic book store when the series was running, and I liked a lot of the Dark Horse stuff, but Sin City never grabbed me. Now Grimjack was an independent I liked, and they've tossed movie ideas around for years. Which leads to the new Dread movie. Judge Dread was another of my comic day favorites that I managed to collect all the old books, but have since sold. The Sly movie... Nevermind, I can't even talk about that one. But any thoughts on the new version? It looks closer, but who knows.
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Post by Scott on Nov 23, 2012 13:55:35 GMT -5
Speaking of Grimjack, that book seemed to be a big inspiration for the Planescape setting. What a disappointment that was. After the initial elation I felt when I first read about it, the return of demons, devils, etc, I thought a reversal of the wuss-ification of the game. But that presentation of the planes sucked.
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Post by geneweigel on Nov 23, 2012 14:04:23 GMT -5
I liked the Dread bits and I had many of the originals but I don't even recall which ones as the publisher who had made that was prone to make a lot of crap that seemed like it would be something from HEAVY METAL but wasn't. I haven't read or heard anything about the Dread 3d and kind of lost faith in the character after Stallone because he had many story elements that I had the issues of and just ruined it.
GRIMJACK I followed as well but like so many indies just petered out after a while and failed to develop (TMNT being the absolute worst development fail of all time that it makes you wonder why you read it in the first place! With DREADSTAR getting a firm second place because it had so much lost potential.). It was so long ago that I don't even recall the premise of Grimjack except the interdimensional bar.
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Post by geneweigel on Nov 23, 2012 14:12:30 GMT -5
I just looked up GRIMJACK and remember this comic? STARSLAYERYou know if you said the name I would have just blurred it out but looking at the sample cover brings back memories. It mentions Groo before it went big too. Holy crap my brother made a movie where he was Groo the Wanderer. I was an orc in it.
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