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Post by Scott on Feb 1, 2009 13:45:32 GMT -5
I wrote that wrong. I see it as more prohibitive than I wrote. Basically, it would equate to scribing a spell of the highest level castable at that caster level. In this case, a 9th level caster could cast 5th level spells, so a magic missile scribed with a caster level of 9th would be the same as a 5th level spell, 500 gp and 5 days.
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Post by GRWelsh on Nov 24, 2018 18:01:52 GMT -5
Since I had this thread bookmarked, I wanted to address this here for future reference. PH p. 25 states:"When a magic-user attains 11th level (Wizard) or higher, he or she may enchant items or scribe magic scrolls." DMG p. 117 states:"Scrolls may be inscribed only by characters of 7th or higher level, and the spells placed upon the scroll must be of a level which the inscribing character is able ot employ, i.e. a 9th level magic-user could not place a 7th level spell on a scroll." DMG p. 128 states: "... where spell level is a factor, is typically but 1 level higher than that required to actually use the spell, but never below 6th level of experience. Thus a sixth-level magic-user spell is written at 13th level of ability, a seventh at 15th level, etc. A scroll fireball or lightning bolt spell is of 6 dice (6d6) in most cases, but as DM you may decide to make certain scroll spells more powerful by increasing the level at which they are written." This last quote implies 6th level magic-users can inscribe scrolls, but I could me misreading that.
So, at what level can magic-users begin inscribing scrolls: 11th, 7th, or 6th level? I would assume the DMG supersedes the PH since it was published later. If a 10th magic-user inscribes a fireball scroll, is the scroll fireball 6d6 or 10d6? If the former, then I guess that answers my question.
If I were to answer my own question, magic-users can begin inscribing scrolls at 7th level and not sooner, and all spells by default are cast at one level higher than the minimum to cast them, with a 6th level minimum. So, if a magic-user cast a sleep or levitate spell off of a scroll they would be cast at the 6th level. An exception would be like a 7th level magic-user inscribing a 4th level spell onto a scroll -- it would be cast at 7th level since the magic-user cannot inscribe it at the default 8th level. Another exception would be if a magic-user wanted to inscribe a scroll spell with higher level of ability, such as a 10d6 fireball... He could do it, but it would cost more and perhaps include additional ingredients.
I think in the past, I didn't pay close attention to these quotes, and I had magic-users able to begin inscribing scrolls at 7th level and when anyone would inscribe a scroll it would be at the level of ability they were at when they created the scroll. So, for example, if in a dungeon you found a scroll with magic missile on it -- inscribed many years ago by some 9th level NPC magic-user -- and you cast it directly off of the scroll, it would go off as cast at 9th level of ability with the five missiles! If you copied it into your spell book, the spell would fade and vanish from the scroll, no longer usable as a scroll spell.
Have you guys ever had erase or write spells used in your games? What is the purpose or usefulness of those spells? I've never been able to make sense of them.
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Post by Scott on Nov 24, 2018 22:23:25 GMT -5
I go with 7th level. I’ve houseruled is so the scribes can choose the level the scroll will be written at, it gets more expensive as the casting level increases. Nobody has ever used erase, but I’ve used write plenty of times, usually to copy scroll spells that were higher level than I could cast at the time.
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Post by geneweigel on Nov 24, 2018 23:31:50 GMT -5
Here is a bit that mentions that 7th level from DRAGON#66 (OCT 1982) SAGE ADVICE:
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