Eclavdra and the EEG

[GT]

Another aside; remember the "temple" area Gary put into B2...? ^__^

[GT]

Maybe the likes of Snurre are "in the know "as far as the EEG, while in general, other Giants are merely in it for the plunder?

[GT]

Seriously... I think Gary's "Temple of Chaos" in B2 was meant to be generic; but I set the adventure in the Vesve and it made a great tie-in with T1, and thus (in my campaign) with the EEG! ^__^

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gt said:

Another aside; remember the "temple" area Gary put into B2...? ^__^

That seems closest to the TOEE in comparison.

[GT]

Heh!! Yes!! And whose fane was originally buried beneath the Temple in Gary's Greyhawk?

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gt said:

Maybe the likes of Snurre are "in the know "as far as the EEG, while in general, other Giants are merely in it for the plunder?

The giants including stone, cloud, ogre, ogre-magi and assume the rakshasa (as others) already sent affirmative replies so they may or may not be EEG worshippers as of that time period as well.

[GT]

Hmmm... I can see the "splinter group" of Stone Giants, but in general I don't see the affirmative reply being for all Stone Giants... they're too neutral to step in that line!

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However, the example in B2 seems to have the generic "evil" look for most of Gary's evil temples. That scarab of insanity and the blob shape (as well as the non-mtaching coloration) sets the hill giant's WEIRD ABANDONED TEMPLE apart from everything we've mentioned. The giants can easily restore that passage but why wouldn't they? Unless they're on the new EEG bandwagon and they just got rid of "Blobbo".

[GT]

It can also be taken as a "foreshadowing" of things to come. Hill Giants, being as simple as they are, would probably have a "Grolantor" deity--an idealized Hill Giant; although I realize the G1 module pre-dated said deity... The Fire Giants on the other hand might remember the "alternative" deity that almost led them to greatness, unlike Surtur who seems to maintain a 'status quo'...

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The stone giants are in residence in the steading as master miners and engineers for all work in the dungeons. It looks as if they're clearing the way for a new temple in the northwest.

Snurre also has some in his employ most likely for the work on their temple of the eye. It looks like the room down the hallway from them might have been an old temple ("community quarters chamber" but there is no evidence besides the pillars making it look "temple-ish").

The frosts have guest stone giants who are there to find out how the giants war on humankind is going. NOTE: The destroyed rift "ruse" might be the Jarl's abandoned temple with the dead and cave-in being produced from the day they abandoned it.

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The last bit about the ruse raises my suspicions because the ruse was created by the drow.

[GT]

Gary put me in my place on the Kraken-theory... no connection meant there (outside of maybe an A. Merritt thing... ^__^). As to the Stone Giants; some I can see being swayed, but most just would not embrace the EEG and its alien "elemental" ways, IMO...

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Thats a good question about alignment of the stone giants. I'd rule that they can do anything they want individually and those individuals could make a consensus and make a splinter group as well. But what drives their original neutral outlook? Is it just "whatever" or are they true neutral philosophers of some kind? Most likely the former view of "whatever" but destroying individuals irrevocably in sacrifice to the EEG doesn't even sound like even that type can cast a blind eye...

And it isn't like they are stupid because they're engineers and I generally consider them in the non-lowbrow giant set with the clouds and the storms.

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gt said:

Gary put me in my place on the Kraken-theory... no connection meant there (outside of maybe an A. Merritt thing... ^__^). As to the Stone Giants; some I can see being swayed, but most just would not embrace the EEG and its alien "elemental" ways, IMO...

What between the MMII Kraken?

You should of asked him if the Sunless Sea goes as far as GHC...

[GT]

I concur... I see them in a Stephen Donaldson "Stone and sea!" kind of mindset-- a great respect for stone and nature; maybe not quite druidic, but certainly unwilling to tip the balance to the EEG's as a race... although some might view siding with the EEG's as a way to redress the incursions of humans and demihumans... ^__^

[GT]

If the Oligarch shows up here tonight, you can ask him!

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I was just reading a Q&A with Gary from several years ago and he answered a lot about various topics. One of them was regarding the Baklunish gods where he suggests using those at hand because he never developed them. So he might not have anything to add and just suggest more "doubling up". I can't get into retreading or minmizing like that because it isn't in the spirit of Greyhawk.

Here's another thing that I just noticed, I was just reading a thread on Dragonsfoot about mapping the underworld of the GDQ and someone mentions that there are variations in versions of modules that I don't particularly have.

Now thats a nasty fly in the ointment!

Did any of you realize that there are different versions of the original original modules?

[Scott]

No. You could probably check the Acaeum to get some info.

[GT]

Hmmm... I never knew that. On the Baklunish thing, was that where somebody asked Gary about using Heirroneuos as a Baklunish god?

[Scott]

Since the Baklunish have an obvious resemblance to Arabs, what pantheon(s) are listed for the region in Aerth? I would suggest modeling a pantheon after that.