|
|
Post by Scott on Nov 17, 2008 13:12:18 GMT -5
I don't have any of the originals, just the Against the Giants compilation.
On the back cover, Gleep Wurp the Eyebiter is listed. On the spells page he is listed as Gleed. Anybody know which is correct?
I sold, or gave away, my original modules. He might be listed in the D series, I guess I could check that when I get home.
I know the original word had something to do with eyes or vision. I think Gleed is correct.
|
|
|
|
Post by geneweigel on Nov 17, 2008 13:59:15 GMT -5
Gleep Wurp, the spells list appeared in the compilation G1-3.
The D1-2 compilation characters are different somewhat:
G1: Gleep Wurp the Eyebiter, Cloyer Bulse the Magsman, Roaky Swerked, Frush O'Suggill, Fonkin Hoddypeak, Flerd trantle, Redmod Dumple, Faffle Dwe'o-mercraeft, and Beek Gwenders of Croodle.
D1-2: Fonkin Hoddypeak, Beek Gwenders of Croodle, Fnast Dringle, Keak Breedbate of Nithe, Darg Blonke, Ycore Rixie, Shab Heanling, Fage the Kexy, and Philotomy Jurament.
|
|
|
|
Post by Scott on Nov 17, 2008 14:18:42 GMT -5
I think Gleed is correct. I can find Gleed and Wurp in archiac dictionaries, but no Gleep.
|
|
|
|
Post by geneweigel on Nov 17, 2008 14:18:56 GMT -5
Their levels remained the same but their scores went up for stats
Fonkin: S 15 to 17 C 14 to 16 CH 16 to 18
Alignment LG to GG
Beak: S 15 to 18 (02)
Lost a weeks worth of rations and his elven cloak and boots. Plus his potion of healing turned into a potion of extra healing.
|
|
|
|
Post by geneweigel on Nov 17, 2008 14:23:02 GMT -5
It just might have been creative embellishment doubling up considering the wild names associated so one could use both confidently knowing their "Olde Gygaxian".
|
|
|
|
Post by Scott on Nov 17, 2008 14:25:19 GMT -5
Gleep Wurp, the spells list appeared in the compilation G1-3. That's what confuses me. On the spell list it is Gleed. And I remember Gary saying the names were archaic words, or words inspired by them. |
|
|
|
Post by geneweigel on Nov 17, 2008 14:32:20 GMT -5
In ARTIFACT OF EVIL Gygax rehashes the names for Keak and Gleed for ill fated members of Iuz's Circle and there is never a reoccurence of "Gleep". However it does ring with the associated names in the tourney characters so I wouldn't just dismiss it.
|
|
|
|
Post by Scott on Nov 17, 2008 15:27:59 GMT -5
My guess is the 'p' was a typo.
|
|
|
|
Post by geneweigel on Nov 17, 2008 17:15:37 GMT -5
Well, the 1999 2e adventure AGAINST THE GIANTS by Sean Reynolds spews Gleep Wurp all over the thing in "ye olde path of least resistance Zeb-ideedoodah" fashion so the taint of Gleep has that sour ring that firmly plants it in amongst "The Cook-ed" so...
Seriously, we need to take our Gygax anyway it was served these days even if in error. So, I'd count both as Greyhawk style.
|
|
|
|
Post by Scott on Nov 17, 2008 17:21:41 GMT -5
Does anybody have the pastel covers? Were the pre-gens in there?
|
|
|
|
Post by geneweigel on Nov 17, 2008 17:47:24 GMT -5
Just the first one, G1, has the pregens unless theres a variant that i don't have.
It could be that "Gleep" being used as the name for the pseudodragon in ANOTHER FINE MYTH (1978) the same year was on his mind and then in the compilation he later switched gears toward a more authentic tone too.
|
|
|
|
Post by geneweigel on Nov 17, 2008 17:54:56 GMT -5
Heres G1 on top and G1-2-3 on the bottom:  |
|
|
|
Post by Scott on Nov 17, 2008 18:03:33 GMT -5
Hmmm.
|
|
GT
Wizard
Duke of Indiana, Knight Commander
Posts: 2,032
|
Post by GT on Nov 17, 2008 21:33:53 GMT -5
|
|
GT
Wizard
Duke of Indiana, Knight Commander
Posts: 2,032
|
Post by GT on Nov 17, 2008 21:37:14 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by Scott on Nov 17, 2008 21:42:42 GMT -5
Gleed: n. Archaic A glowing coal; an ember.
Wurp [wurp] an obsolete word meaning a stone's throw
There is a Gleed in the Gord stories, but he doesn't fit the pre-gen at all.
|
|
|
|
Post by GRWelsh on Nov 17, 2008 21:54:47 GMT -5
I also think Gleep was a typo, considering that Gary drew the names from archaic words... Gleed is from Middle English, akin to Old English glowan: "to glow" or "glowing coal."
As someone else pointed out, EGG also recycled some of these names for his novels, albeit attached to different personalities: Gleed, Keak, and Redmod were used again, if I recall... Gleed was a name used for a gnome henchman of Obmi, Keak was a crazed elf, and Redmod was a location in the Pale. I remember, because this caused some cogntive dissonance for me when I first read the Gord books: "What? No... No! Gleed was a wizard who fought against the giants, Keak Breedbaite was the unfortunately named gnome who was probably used as a lure against said giants in ambuscades, and Redmod Dumple was more than likely that dwarf on the frontispiece of the Against the Giants drawing by Jeff Dee, valiantly charging the ice toads!" How ignoble, for the first pregenerated heroes of all time not to be memorialized further, except to have their names recycled for villains, and a forgettable Canon in the Pale!
|
|
|
|
Post by grodog on Nov 18, 2008 10:22:31 GMT -5
I think Paul Stormberg has a copy of the original tourney PCs from when they were run as tourneys, but I don't know that he's done any A/B/C comparisons to G1/G1-3/D1-2 to see how they differ.
|
|
|
|
Post by geneweigel on Nov 18, 2008 10:56:55 GMT -5
Whats up with that guy? He's like on this whole different wavelength. "Antique Culture meets Wargaming" or something. I think if I went to his house for a game everything would burst into flames!  |
|
GT
Wizard
Duke of Indiana, Knight Commander
Posts: 2,032
|
Post by GT on Nov 18, 2008 19:06:20 GMT -5
Still, "Gleep" was a "Milwaukee slang", so it's conceivable that they (being of Wisconsin) would call a studious magic-using sort after a word for "nerd"! ^__^
|
|
