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Post by Scott on Oct 17, 2004 9:20:28 GMT -5
How I would stat Lareth: Lareth the Beautiful (human 5th level cleric of Zuggtmoy): AC: -1; Move: 12”; HD: 5d8+10; HP: 44; No. of Attacks: 2 (Staff of Striking/horseman’s mace); THAC0: 16/21*; Damage: 1d6+5, +8, or +11/1d6+2; SA: spells, magic items; Align: CE; Size: M; Morale: 75% Str: 18, Int: 9; Wis: 18, Dex: 17, Con: 16, Cha: 18, Com: 18 Spells Memorized: 1st Level: Command, Cure Light Wounds (x2), Protection from Good, Sanctuary 2nd Level: Hold Person (x2), Know Alignment, Resist Fire, Silence 15’ Radius 3rd Level: Cause Blindness, Continual Darkness Possessions: Plate Mail +1, Staff of Striking, Phylactery of Action *The THAC0 is based on my adjusted penalties for fighting with two weapons. If you use the modifiers listed in the DMG, Lareth's THAC0 would be 14/19.
Lareth is one of my favorite villains. What a bad-ass. He’s been responsible for countless PC deaths and TPKs over the years. Last time I ran T1 though, he was cake. Burne cast fumble on him at the beginning of the melee, and that was that. I’m curious to know if Lareth has ever escaped and returned later in your campaigns, and how you handled it. I once had Lareth escape to the ToEE, but the campaign ended before I had the chance to use him again. Scott
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Post by Falconer on Oct 18, 2004 3:17:47 GMT -5
I majorly goofed by letting the party have a shot at Lareth alone, i.e. after all his guards were slain. In the future I will make sure he has some backup. Yes, he is totally bad ass, and escaping to fight another day sounds like a good idea. In my game he lasted a long time in combat because he was so hard to hit, but he still couldn't get any spells off because of magic missiles and the occasional hit against him. His fighting was effective but not devastating. A clever (and large) party can handle him. Regards.
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Post by Scott on Oct 18, 2004 5:31:06 GMT -5
His two hold person spells are the party killers. I don't think I've ever DMed a party without Burne and his dispel magic spell present that did well, and since players tend to be on the greedy side, that's a lot of parties that haven't done well. Scott
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Post by GT on Oct 18, 2004 11:37:20 GMT -5
I had Lareth survive as well, and had him "guest star" in B2 the last time I ran it, as it was a lead-in to T1-4. The un-named Chaotic Evil worship of B2 allows this to work well...
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Post by Lord Kjeran on Feb 1, 2005 12:21:04 GMT -5
Chello!
Well, I'm working up a ToEE campiagn right now, and my solution to the Lareth-Lolth conundrum is this:
Lareth is really Laretha a FEMALE drow cleric assassin who disguises herself as a male human and leader of the brigands. She'll actually be in the area spying on the Temple rather than being allied to the Temple. I'm working onit, so i don't have all the details worked out yet...
Tony
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Post by Scott on Feb 2, 2005 0:14:51 GMT -5
I've known others that made Lareth a drow, but never a female. Scott
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Post by Lord Kjeran on Feb 2, 2005 1:56:05 GMT -5
Chello! Well, It just makes more sense to me. The Fiend Folio states, "Most Drow clerics are female." Not all--all is a Drizzt addition. However, it just seems right to make Laerth a female. "Surprise, surprise!" Tony
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Post by Merkholz on Feb 4, 2005 9:38:52 GMT -5
I don't think there's anything wrong with having Lareth being human since the cult is starting fresh in the rough lands around Nulb and it is a long, loooong way away from Erelhei-Cinlu.
M
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Post by mistere29 on Feb 5, 2005 10:25:19 GMT -5
I never thought anything was odd about lareth worshiping Lolth, after all in, grewhawk she is just a demon like any other, as oppsoed to FR, where she is God that (presumably) created the drow. Gary confirmed as much on the ENworld. www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=104817&page=4&pp=40
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Post by Scott on Feb 5, 2005 19:12:00 GMT -5
Could you quote what Gary said that was relavent. I couldn't find anything. Also, EGG has said that Lolth's name only appears in T1because of an editing oversight. By the time the adventure was released, he had decided to go with Zuggtmoy in stead. Scott
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Post by mistere29 on Feb 7, 2005 15:15:44 GMT -5
Somebody had posted lolth' stats (along with biddlepoop SP) and asked gary to comment he made editiorial coments is brackers, <>
It's on page 4.
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Post by Scott on Feb 7, 2005 17:56:55 GMT -5
I read that, but I didn't see how it confirmed anything you had said in your post. Scott
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Post by Falconer on Feb 8, 2005 1:25:37 GMT -5
I think he's trying to say that Lolth isn't to be viewed as "The Goddess and Creator of the Drow". She is first and foremost a Demoness Queen, and that of Spiders. Therefore, there is no reason a worshipper shouldn't be Human any less than Drow. And no particular reason why all Drow should worship her any more than worship the EEG, Graz'zt, or Iuz. Regards.
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Post by mistere29 on Feb 8, 2005 8:10:44 GMT -5
What he said.
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Post by dcas on Feb 8, 2005 14:06:42 GMT -5
I think he's trying to say that Lolth isn't to be viewed as "The Goddess and Creator of the Drow". She is first and foremost a Demoness Queen, and that of Spiders. Therefore, there is no reason a worshipper shouldn't be Human any less than Drow. And no particular reason why all Drow should worship her any more than worship the EEG, Graz'zt, or Iuz. Regards. Yes, that's true, but one is still faced with the problem of having a Cleric of Lolth in charge of the Moathouse when having a Cleric of Zuggtmoy would simplify matters. (Not to mention the fact the EGG recommended it.)
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Post by Falconer on Feb 8, 2005 16:17:28 GMT -5
*groan* We've discussed this before, ad nauseum.
It's a fine idea for some, but others like the Lolth presence. Let it be. Regards.
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Post by Scott on Feb 8, 2005 18:13:27 GMT -5
Groan somewhere else. Discussion is what the board is for, Scott
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Post by geneweigel on Feb 9, 2005 9:36:55 GMT -5
How about a fifth chaotic evil deity to add to Lolth, Iuz, Zuggtmoy and the Elder Elemental God? Wait, I'll come in again...
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Post by mistere29 on Feb 9, 2005 10:20:49 GMT -5
Well if you're getting rid of lolth completly from the module, then i guess it makes more sense. Of course you could always put lolth in zuggutomy's place as well.
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Post by GRWelsh on Feb 9, 2005 18:41:26 GMT -5
How about a fifth chaotic evil deity to add to Lolth, Iuz, Zuggtmoy and the Elder Elemental God? Iggwilv could be considered a deity; perhaps a hero-level deity or quasi-deity, a patroness of witches. Hey Gene, how about posting some more of your drawings? I enjoyed your St Trowbane ideas.
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