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Post by GT on Dec 31, 2017 7:07:12 GMT -5
So, I was always convinced that this name for the Bakluni god that caused the Rain of Colorless Fire was a Gary anagram (and, who wasn't?) because it was such an unwieldy name. I think I finally solved it: "Gord Author G" ^__^
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Post by geneweigel on Dec 31, 2017 13:48:37 GMT -5
Did we cover this ages ago? Just a vague memory.
I think the key might be in the surname "torgu". Its a repeat of the first name "dorgha".
Besides that when I first saw it my auto-myth processing thinking applied him to a fallen deity Adonis/Attis/Baldur/Dionysus/Osiris/Tammuz because its its echoed in Istus being an associate who is a slight parallel of Ishtar/Isis.
The way that I processed "Yeehnoghu" as a backwards of "Dunsany" (Dunsany-Duhgony-Uhgony/Ynoghu-Yeenoghu) might be some kind of related echo to the "gha" and "gu" in "dorgha torgu". So if do a "word algebra" to it and remove "dorgha" the Indian deity "Doorga" sounding part we're left with "Torgu" then backwards its:
Ugrot
(then applying the Dunsany technique)
Ugrot - Usret - U-Set - Ull-Set?
Just throwing it out there.
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Post by GT on Dec 31, 2017 14:21:42 GMT -5
Yeenoghu was easy... h(yena) (ghou)l ^__^
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Post by geneweigel on Dec 31, 2017 15:19:32 GMT -5
Thats right but while it seems a forward association hyena + ghoul = Yeenoghu its backwards. Its gnoll + Dunsany munched up into wordplays and then arriving at hyena and ghoul afterwards
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Post by GT on Dec 31, 2017 15:23:30 GMT -5
You, Sir, have the INT score of Boccob!! ^__^
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Post by foster1941 on Dec 31, 2017 15:36:34 GMT -5
Hold on, I thought Yeenoghu’s name was literally a trap for players who said “you know who” as a way of talking about demon lords without saying their names (potentially summoning them), and everything else was post-hoc rationalization.
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Post by GT on Dec 31, 2017 15:55:35 GMT -5
"Inside joke" vs. "Origin"... ^__^
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Post by GT on Dec 31, 2017 16:15:24 GMT -5
From Dragon #93, Frank Metzer's pronunciation guide (when Gary was still there): "yee-NAG-hoo"...
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Post by Scott on Dec 31, 2017 17:32:37 GMT -5
Didn’t we have this discussion before? Gary introduced Dorgha Torgu as a Suliose deity. It’s possible it was a typo. But I’ve always gone with that.
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Post by GT on Dec 31, 2017 17:46:58 GMT -5
No; in the conversation with Paul Stormberg [2000 CE] he stated that Dorgha Torgu was a Bakluni deity, and the one responsible for the Rain of Colorless Fire...
Q (Paul): What was the nature of the Rain of Colorless Fire (the 1983 WoG boxed set only says "...in return for the terrible magical attack [ID], the Suloise lands were inundated by a nearly invisible fiery rain which killed all creatures it struck, burned all living things, ignited the landscape with colorless flame, and burned the very hills themselves into ash.")? A (Gary): It, the Rain of Colorless Fire, was, as the Invoked Devastation, a magic of incredible power, absolutely lost to Oerth - and especially to all NPCs and PCs alike. So to all wondering about those mighty magical powers, forget them!!!
Q (Paul): Who were the casters and what type of spell, device, effects, etc. were employed? If a group of PC's were caught in the RoCF trying to intervene what would their chances be? A (Gary): If the PCs are to be there, they can kiss their "lives" goodbye. What happened was a release of power akin to what a major god would employ, like one making land of sea. The deity involved in this exchange, one Dorgha Torgu, paid dearly for his meddling with such unnatural power. I had written up this deity in my notes but had never entered him into the rolls of Greyhawk gods; that was for later.
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Post by GT on Dec 31, 2017 17:54:05 GMT -5
Can you tell that I'm on vacation, Scott? Back to the "grind" on Wednesday...
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Post by Scott on Dec 31, 2017 17:59:20 GMT -5
In the write up Gary did, it starts out, “I have discovered a heretofore unmentioned deity of the World of Greyhawk, one Dorgha Torgu, an old Suloise god.” And there’s, “he has the secret backing Istus, who would see her fellow restored to his place”.
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Post by Scott on Dec 31, 2017 18:00:57 GMT -5
Can you tell that I'm on vacation, Scott? Back to the "grind" on Wednesday... It’s good to have you back. Try not to get swallowed by the grind again; make it your resolution.
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Post by GT on Dec 31, 2017 18:05:01 GMT -5
Remember, Istus is a Bakluni goddess... she would see her powerful brethren restored!
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Post by GT on Dec 31, 2017 18:07:52 GMT -5
My take, based mostly on Paul's with a few alterations...
DORGHA TORGU (Elements, Energy, Material Dimensions) Greater Deity [currently a quasi-deity] ARMOR: -7 [-2] MOVE: 15" HIT POINTS: 335 [85] NUMBER OF ATTACKS: See below DAMAGE/ATTACK: See below SPECIAL ATTACKS: See below SPECIAL DEFENSES: +3 or better weapon to hit [+1 or better to hit] MAGIC RESISTANCE: 95% SIZE: M (6') ALIGNMENT: Neutral (Good tendencies) WORSHIPPERS’ ALIGNMENT: Neutrals SYMBOL: White eight-pointed star PLANE: Prime Material (Oerth)/Demi-Plane of Shadow CLERIC/DRUID: 18th lvl Cleric/15th lvl Druid [18th lvl cleric] FIGHTER: 18th lvl Cavalier [18th lvl cavalier] MAGIC-USER/ILLUSIONIST: 20th lvl Magic-user [18th lvl magic-user] THIEF/ASSASSIN: Nil MONK/BARD: Nil PSIONIC ABILITY: I Attack/Defense Modes: All/all S: 20 I: 24 W: 20 D: 21 C: 23 CH: 21 In his anger at the Suel Empire’s use of an evil artifact affiliated with Tharizdun to unleash the Invoked Devastation upon the Bakluni, Dorgha Torgu retaliated with the Rain Of Invisible Fire which destroyed the Suel Imperium (by opening rifts between the planes of Shadow and Elemental Fire, and sweeping these eastward). For this impetuous use of divine powers, Dorgha Torgu was stripped of most of his powers and rendered a quasi-deity by Halimab, until such time as that deity feels he has served adequate penance! As a quasi-deity, he has the abilities noted in italics above, as well as the innate power to move through the Prime, Elemental and Energy Planes (Positive, Negative, Shadow) at will. When in human guise, however, Dorgha Torgu has abilities of diminished sort, even from his relatively “lowly” quasi-deity status. (As an aside, it is thought that this is because he has the secret backing of Istus, who would see her fellow deity restored to his place if Dorgha Torgu can earn such. It is speculated that the opportunity to make amends for his offense will come only when he in such weakened state.) Thus, Dorgha Torgu has but mortal powers, albeit considerable ones, and cannot, of course, be truly slain but merely destroyed in material form and sent to his own demi-plane for a time for recuperation. Dorgha Torgu as a mortal has the combined abilities of a Cleric and a Cavalier. He may opt to have the former at 12th level ability and the latter at 8th level, or vice versa. In either case he can also use each of the following spells twice per day: Dimension Door, Passwall, Rock to Mud, Teleport, Wall of Stone. In roaming through the world, Dorgha Torgu helps those who seek to reverse evil things, to aid those who have been wronged, and to otherwise help those suffering injustices. This he does from remorse, not because he believes such a course will restore him to his lost status. Of course, it is surely some such humble act that will set him on the course of attaining that which he seeks. Dorgha Torgu has few temples currently (mostly with the Tribes of the Paynims), but it is rumored that he visits those that do exist incognito to see if all is well. Most of his worshippers tend to be savants and magic-users, or clerics who carry on in his honor until the time of his redemption. There is also a small “purist” cult that venerates him as a deity who will someday return and wipe all but the faithful Bakluni from the world (a concept that the deity views with great distaste!). When this deity is restored to his former glory, it is certain that the Bakluni pantheon as a whole will profit. This deity may appear as male or female, young or old, handsome or ugly; but he generally appears as an aged man with white hair and beard wearing a gray robe and white kheffiyeh, and carrying a simple staff; or wearing chainmail and carrying a scimitar (+3). His eyes are brown and bright, and somewhat intense due to his zeal.
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Post by GT on Dec 31, 2017 18:10:48 GMT -5
"Halimab" is my head of the Bakluni pantheon (I have accepted that we will never know Gary's, if he actually had one...). He is the "Lawgiver" and "The Father" of Bakluni gods (who from what we are given are often Neutral and Lawful... )
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Post by Scott on Dec 31, 2017 18:19:18 GMT -5
Remember, Istus is a Bakluni goddess... she would see her powerful brethren restored! Doh! You are absolutely correct. I was confusing her with Wee Jas.
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Post by GT on Dec 31, 2017 18:24:47 GMT -5
Frack, with all of the gods and demigods running around I get confused too! Technically, the likes of Alia, Kukulkan, Merrikka, Earth Dragon, and Green Man are 1E canon (thanks to modules C1, C1, N1, A4, and UK1 respectively...)as well as Jascar and Osprem tossed in with all of the deities listed in the Greyhawk box set!!
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Post by GT on Dec 31, 2017 18:28:49 GMT -5
Oh; can't forget Dalt [WG5] either (which Rob apparently equated with a Nyarlathotep-type deity as much as he did a standard "god of locks and doors"...)
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Post by GT on Dec 31, 2017 18:35:15 GMT -5
While we're on the topic of deities... who thinks Wee Jas is a tad underpowered for a greater deity? I know that Len "downplays" magic and all, but 205 h.p. with an A.C. of -5 for a greater deity? She IS powerful in other ways, but I think Istus would smack her down fairly easily...
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