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Post by geneweigel on Mar 12, 2015 8:37:19 GMT -5
I was just reading the Wikipedia entry for LEJENDARY ADVENTURE: LEJENDARY ADVENTURE Wikipedia EntryIs this actual product? I don't remember all of the campaign books ever coming out. And here it lists: Lejendary Earth Gazetteer – World Setting sourcebook Part 1, Hekaforge Productions, 2002 Noble Knights and Dark Lands – LE World Setting Part 2, (Gary Gygax with Chris Clark) Hekaforge Productions, 2003 The Exotic Realms of Hazgar – LE World Setting Part 3, (Gary Gygax with Chris Clark) Hekaforge Productions, 2006 Jewels of the East (upcoming) Now I bought the 2002 book so hot off the press the pages were wet when I received the order but I don't recall these coming out or this: Terekaptra: Lost City of the Utiss Asking anyone "LA official" anything about LEJENDARY ADVENTURE even when Gary was alive was akin to asking to put a drug dealer on an on-the-scene news report as a "local color" interview. I can't see what the big deal was about keeping this thing under wraps so tight there didn't seem to be a plan going on. Having Troll Lords come in to jazz it up was beyond their power and looking back they must have had the best intentions. The point is. Does anybody give a shit about LEJENDARY ADVENTURES (Or DJ for that matter?) and are these defunct?
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Post by Scott on Mar 12, 2015 9:33:44 GMT -5
I got a lot of inspiration out of DJ, and would still like to give it a try. LA, to a lesser extent. Never had a real desire to play it, but I enjoyed reading through some of the material.
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Post by geneweigel on Mar 12, 2015 15:16:57 GMT -5
I see some evidence that the Utiss thing came out at one point but basing opinion on this reviewer: [LA] Terekaptra Quick Review...It seems it might have been really bad but they're reluctant to directly say it. At one point in the review they're saying its genius that there is a lack of content. Eh...
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Post by Scott on Mar 12, 2015 15:55:54 GMT -5
The quality of the LA material really varies. I only have some Troll Lord stuff. I heard the quality of the Hekaforge books is better.
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Post by geneweigel on Mar 12, 2015 22:43:44 GMT -5
There is some shit art. Think amateur tracing and when it gets original its sloppy. As for the text its definitely Gygax there is only instance where I'm certain its been influenced by "gheymers" (possibly one of the helpers) although I think its overall done in his style.
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Post by geneweigel on Mar 13, 2015 7:55:54 GMT -5
I think the big question is what can fans do to save this shit? Or is it not worth saving considering the effort and the usual Gygax legal swarm?
I would like to do an AD&D UNEARTHED ARCANA version of this shit and call it a free fan book. Can anybody halt that?
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Post by Scott on Mar 13, 2015 8:42:27 GMT -5
I would need to play it to form an opinion. My readings so far have usually been with a 'how can I use this for D&D' approach.
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Post by geneweigel on Mar 13, 2015 9:59:01 GMT -5
Yeah, its playable but the piling up of variables gets a little busy and reminds me of "industry" trends rather than doing something for his own sake this was a placation.
I have to slate a D&D full conversion out with everything and just do it. Stop worrying and let the naysayers worry about it.
Considering my pile of crap to its just one more thing but I think it has to be that way to blow off steam and redirect otherwise wasted energy. (BTW, I'm still on everything like the Middle Earth thing, various adventures, online comic, etc. and just leave it when it gets too busy to keep everything in view)
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Post by Scott on Mar 13, 2015 12:07:20 GMT -5
From late Gygax-era D&D Gary was moving towards a more skill based approach. He put a lot of work into DJ. There's a lot there, and it's a complex system. And then it got taken away from him. LA looked, to me, very much like Mythus Prime, but it didn't have the rest of the Mythus stuff there to fill in the gaps. I imagine it would be tough to put that amount of work into another system after the previous losses. LA is almost like he put together a bare bones system to get it out there, but rules-lite and skill based is a tough sell.
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Post by peter on Mar 13, 2015 14:49:25 GMT -5
Hi, I really love DJ. The rules seem complex, but once you get to know them (and make a few shortcuts), they work fine. Even creating a new character, which initially seems to take a day, can get done in 20 minutes, when I do it myself. The skills based system along with allowing the players to roleplay their characters beyond the numbers make for (in my opinion) a great game. Peter
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Post by Scott on Mar 13, 2015 15:15:20 GMT -5
I am a big fan of the DJ system, and all of its complexity. You can customize it to whatever degree you're comfortable with.
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Post by geneweigel on Mar 13, 2015 16:38:57 GMT -5
Skills aside the only real problem that I have with DJ is ultimately it doesn't have curb appeal at all which wasn't helped at all by its removal off the shelves before it had a chance to round out with new product. If it had just been left to thrive we might even be looking at Gygax buying back TSR by the end of the 1990's and a proper second edition AD&D that would have nixed the whole 3rd edition and.... CASTLES MADE OF SAND...
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Post by Scott on Mar 13, 2015 19:21:43 GMT -5
Part of the lack of appeal comes from the whole new vocabulary that was devised to try to differentiate it from D&D that it makes it hard to read sometimes. I know a few gamers that gave it a look, couldn't find any common ground, and moved on.
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Post by geneweigel on Mar 21, 2015 19:58:53 GMT -5
I pulled LA out thinking about converting. Man, the layouts of those things are harsh. It definitely can be done though.
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Post by Scott on Mar 21, 2015 20:52:46 GMT -5
You have the Hekaforge stuff don't you?
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Post by geneweigel on Mar 21, 2015 21:06:35 GMT -5
Yeah, the three books LRFAP, LM and bestiary, the D20 half modules, a screen and the gazetteer plus some kind of module that was made for it.
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Post by geneweigel on Mar 21, 2015 21:14:25 GMT -5
Here are the ones that I have:
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Post by Scott on Mar 22, 2015 8:05:08 GMT -5
All of the stuff I have is Troll Lord, and it has all of the Troll Lord editing issues common to products of the era. I thought they were entertaining reads, but have never had the chance to run anything.
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Post by geneweigel on Mar 22, 2015 8:14:12 GMT -5
That screen is the only Gygax item that was purchased from Gary himself at GenCon 2002 and it was surreal giving him the money directly for it because no one was around.
This weird Gandalf-in-modern-times looking guy showing up immediately after that who seemed to be Gary's long lost friend only added to the strangeness.
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Post by geneweigel on Mar 22, 2015 15:51:11 GMT -5
He actually signed the screen twice I totally forgot about that. Must have been a trend because I didn't even ask him to sign it.
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