Name Origins of Greyhawk

[geneweigel]

In response to another comment about Greyhawk names I just thought I'd start a thread to drop idea here.

Whats "TIL"?

That seems to be a theme that runs throughout.

[geneweigel]

Heres the instances of this extremely relvant Greyhawk-ism:

Tilvanot Peninsula
Tilva Strait
Pontylver Capital city of Medegia
Yatil Mountains
Whyestil Lake
Ogon Tillit the Theocrat
Deepstil River (a tributary of the Dulsi River which is an inlet of Whyestil Lake.)
Sotillion (Lesser Oeridian now common God of Summer, South Wind, Ease, Comfort)

I left out "Otiluke" because this might be the source (Otis = Luke).

"Ustilagor" is a monster with the "til".

Some words that pop out at me are "percentile" a very common word in AD&D, and "artillery" is also not only in AD&D but lends itself to military games. (Note "military" has it in there backwards.)

Reptile is another but seems doubtful.

[Scott]

I would guess it was subconscious, and not intentional. I catch myself doing that with certain syllables. It would be interesting to find out I was wrong though.

[geneweigel]

I chopped off the beginning of my last post (OOPS),

I included "Thillrony" or rather "Thillrond" an unknown area or lost kingdom of the "Thillronian Peninsula".

This might be the associate/friend on the "Great Kingdom" map who is the source of all this "Til" reference.

[geneweigel]

Does anyone know who the 46 members of the original Castle & Crusades Society were?

[grodog]

Yes, Paul Stormberg does, as do other folks with a Domesday Book that includes a membership listing (I don't have a DB, alas). I'm pretty sure folks who know info includes at least (in addition to Paul): Jon Peterson, Frank Mentzer, Rob Kuntz, John Bobeck, Bill Meinhardt, Doug Rhea, and Matt Koder (all of whom own DBs or were members of the original C&CS).

[geneweigel]

I found some (41) but you'll be hard pressed to find anything in there (I NOTED SOME GUESSES IN RED bASED ON NYR DYV BEING PRESENT BACK THEN WHICH WERE SOURCES OF NYROND AND DYVERS (DYVOND?)):

Membership and Precedence List (per issue #7, Sep 1970):

1 Rob Kuntz (King)
2 Gary Gygax (Steward, Earl Palatine, OMSC)
3 Bill Linden (Lord Price of Arms, Viscount, OMS)
4 Jeff Perren (Viscount, OMS, Mercenary Captain, OH) PERRENLAND or rather PERROND
5 Christopher Schleicher (Chief Scrivner, Viscount)
6 Terry Kuntz (Chamberlain, Baron, OMS)
7 Dave Arneson (Pursuivant, Baron) BLACKMOOR or rather BOOGERLAND (Just kidding!)
8 Russell Tulp (Justicar, Baron)
9 Rick Crane (High Constable, Baron, OH)
10 Ken Scher (Baron)
11 Stephen A. Thomas Jr. (Baron)
12 Stefen Kwiatkowski (Baron, OH)
13 Tom Webster (OMS)
14 Harry Manogg (Herald, Kt.)
15 H. Axel Krigsman Jr. (Sheriff, Kt.)
16 Al Macintyre (Kt.)
17 Chris Johnson (Court Jester, Kt.)
18 Read Boles (Kt.)
19 Bill Hoyer (Kt.)
20 Paul Cote (Esq.)
21 Richard Locke (Esq.)
22 Sam Ferris (Esq.) FURYONDY or rather FERROND
23 Duane Jenkins (Esq.)
24 Terry Stafford (Esq.)
25 Patrick Wilson (Gent.)
26 Bill Larson (Gent.)
27 John Bobek (Gent.) VERBOBONC
28 George Kwiatkowski (Gent.)
29 Gerald Crane (Gent.)
30 Steve Umstead (Gent.)
31 Terry Winckler (Gent.)
32 Stuart Trembly (Gent.)
33 Tom Bray (Gent.)
34 Len Lakofka (Gent.) LENDOR or rather LENROND
35 Charles Pasco (Gent.)
36 Tom Hazlett (Gent.)
37 Harley Anton (Gent.)
38 James Lurvey (Gent.) VELUNA or rather VELLOND
39 Bill Belke (Gent.)
40 George Patton (Gent.)
41 Mike Gutierrez (Gent.)

SOME OF THESE NAMES RING BELLS BUT IT COULD BE PARTIALS OR NICKNAMES LIKE "STEVE'S FOREST BY VELLONDI" translated as "STEVE'S VELLONDI FOREST = VE'S VE FOREST = VESVE FOREST"

[geneweigel]

A further note is that VELVERDYVA means Veluna- Furyondy - Dyvers and Verbobonc means Furyondy's Bobonc:

Furyondy= Ferrond=Verrond

[geneweigel]

Heres one I just got:

19 Bill Hoyer (Kt.) - HOYER - YEOMANRY?

[geneweigel]

5 Christopher Schleicher (Chief Scrivner, Viscount) mix first name to resemble last name: STERICH

[Scott]

Nov 2, 2012 11:39:07 GMT -5 geneweigel said:

Heres one I just got:

19 Bill Hoyer (Kt.) - HOYER - YEOMANRY?

I'd always assumed that it was just a place settled/founded/whatever by yeomen.

[geneweigel]

6 Terry Kuntz (Chamberlain, Baron, OMS) TERRY K = RATIK

[geneweigel]

Nov 2, 2012 11:54:35 GMT -5 Scott said:

Nov 2, 2012 11:39:07 GMT -5 geneweigel said:

Heres one I just got:

19 Bill Hoyer (Kt.) - HOYER - YEOMANRY?

I'd always assumed that it was just a place settled/founded/whatever by yeomen.

Yeah its all an assumed wordplay on his part because thats the way he thought.

[geneweigel]

If we find that Bill Hoyer was a farmer or from farmers that would clinch it!

[geneweigel]

8 Russell Tulp (Justicar, Baron) Russ + rushes = RUSHMOORS

[geneweigel]

Who knows? Some of these guys he might have disliked so he rammed in Heidi, Elise, Ernie, Luke, Cindy in their map place or withered them down to an NPC.

[Scott]

Mary Jo Powell, Gary's first wife, was the origin for the Pomarj.

[geneweigel]

Thats a good one Tom Keogh is the obvious Keoland and also Keoghtom of the ointment.

But what of Mr Kaye? He doesn't appear in the list of C&C. We all know his character was Merlin changed to Murlynd but where is his land?

Or perhaps he is in every land as "OND"?

[geneweigel]

I just got a good one what if "TILL" is a wordplay on Ernie Gygax?

ERNEST GARRISON GYGAX JUNIOR or ERNEST GARY GYGAX JUNIOR or ERNEST GARY GYGAX II or LITTLE ERNIE or LITTLE GARY or ERNIE THE WELL KNOWN BARBARIAN or TENSER or SERTEN or POZTIF or ERAC

"LITTLE" and "II" = LIT TIL and "LL"

THILLRONIAN PENINSULA = BARBARIAN KINGDOMS

Could be.

[grodog]

Nov 2, 2012 11:56:12 GMT -5 geneweigel said:

6 Terry Kuntz (Chamberlain, Baron, OMS) TERRY K = RATIK

Ratik is pretty close to Terik (and to Kerzit for that matter....).