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Post by Falconer on May 3, 2009 23:17:02 GMT -5
Anyone have any advice on what gods to assign to the various temples in Yggsburgh? It is left to the DM which god is worshipped where.
There are:
19. The Common Temple (a NG deity/deities, of common/poor folk) 20. The Outland Temple (a CG deity/deities, of dwarfs, gnomes, halflings, and foreigners) 21. Fane & Convent (a CN female deity/deities, of elves) 22. Temple (a NG female deity/deities, of middle class, merchants, visitors) 23. Chapel & Priory (a NG male deity, of the Order of Gray Friars) 24. The Grand Temple & Monastery (a LG pantheon with a principal male deity, of aristocrats and academics) 77. Rivers Shrine/80. Outs Inn Chapel Building (a good deity of rivers)
Did I miss any?
Can the clues match them up to World of Greyhawk deities? I don't have a copy of WoG '83 anymore (it got stolen), but I do have the Dragon Magazine Archive CD-ROM. Exempting the 9 imprisoned deities, as well as the demi-gods Zagyg and Wastri and the Xvart god Raxivort, we have:
- St. Cuthbert (LG/LN) - Fharlanghn (N) - Ehlonna (NG) - Pholtus (LG/N) - Istus (N) - Boccob (N) - Incabulos (NE) - Nerull (NE) - Ulaa (LG) (not in DRAGON but I am certain she's in WOG)
Well, especially if you ignore the alignments in Yggsburgh, at first, casual glance it could easily be St Cuthbert for 19. Ulaa for 20, though it doesn't specify female. Ehlonna looks perfect for 21. 22 has me stumped, though Istus could be alright, and if you ignore "female" then it could be Pholtus. 23 could be St Cuthbert, or Fharlanghn, or Pholtus? (Whichever one isn't used could be 19). 24 is highly suggestive of the Suel Pantheon if you're thinking in WoG terms, or Norse Pantheon if you're thinking more broadly. (I was also thinking Babylonian Pantheon, but the priests don't have very exotic names so it's not an "obvious" fit.) I have no idea about the river deity.
Obviously "I can do whatever I want" but I was wondering if I was missing anything. Have there been discussions on this, or any official suggestions?
Are there any secret evil temples of Nerull or Incabulos suggested in the text anywhere?
I assume Boccob is worshipped at the Castle!
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Post by Scott on May 4, 2009 6:35:06 GMT -5
Not really sure how I would match them. I’d have Pelor and St. Cuthbert for sure. Maybe Rao. The area has a pretty notable druidic influence, so something for that. If I wanted a more City of Greyhawk feel, I’d make sure that some evil gods were represented. Probably some of the gods that weren’t written up with the more mundane, town-oriented spheres of influence.
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Post by GT on May 5, 2009 18:27:49 GMT -5
I did them as follows: 19) Pelor 20)Trithereon 21) Dual Temple--Ehlonna & Sotillion 22) Berei 23) Fharlanghn 24) St. Cuthbert 77) Geshtai (not necessarily "good", but certainly not "evil"! )
Remember-- Istus is primarily Bakluni-worshipped (along with Dorgha Torgu and two others I added, since Gary never detailed any more: Halimab and Xerkway). I think Nerull and Incabulos would be more "underground" in a town like this; not quite as cosmopolitan as Greyhawk... ^__^
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Post by ghul on May 6, 2009 10:12:24 GMT -5
Some great ideas in this thread. In the Yggsburgh hardback book, the deities are intentionally left generic, but the Yggsburgh expansion modules (only 3 were published) are a bit more granular. Gary presented precise deities from the Tenoric faith, so what you have are several divinities of Norse/Teutonic origin. In my home game, however, I used a mix of Tenoric and GH deities. For me this was full circle, because when I was a young man running GH in the 80s, I was not overly fond of the GH pantheon, and so I used the Norse deities from D&DG.
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Post by GT on May 6, 2009 10:16:22 GMT -5
How ironic (well, sorta...)--my first DM used Norse deities in 78/79; but as the GH deities appeared in the early 80's I incorporated them into my campaign, and make Norse (and all other) gods "interlopers"! ^__^
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Post by amalric on May 6, 2009 11:49:38 GMT -5
I had them slightly different to GT:- 19) Pelor 20) Ulaa (the races given are all LG, so having CG god didn't add for me) 21) Ehlonna 22) Berei 23) Rao 24) Pholtus I haven't figured 77 out yet.
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Post by GT on May 6, 2009 12:38:28 GMT -5
... and yet, amazingly close! Since Gar-Bear was goin' a somewhat differentdirection, it is difficult to match some of them!
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Post by Falconer on May 6, 2009 17:00:11 GMT -5
I was going to go with DDG pantheons and ignore the WoG deities, but lately I've been feeling like "reclaiming Greyhawk". I don't want to abandon it to the WotC-followers.
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Post by Falconer on May 6, 2009 20:47:47 GMT -5
Pelor, Sotillion, Berei, Geshtai, Rao--have writeups ever been done on these deities? (I mean by Gygax or approved by him.) I feel like I'm missing something. Or is the one-line description in WoG enough for you to go by?
Trithereon is ineligible for a temple in my campaign since he is one of nine deities held captive in Castle Greyhawk!
I'm more and more liking Scotty's idea where the WoG gods are the indigenous gods, and taking a DDG pantheon or two as outlander gods belonging to a new wave of population.
I've also toyed with the idea of Christianity being one of the religions. In that scenario, St. Cuthbert would be the local patron saint according to that faith.
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Post by GT on May 6, 2009 21:13:03 GMT -5
Gary definitely had stats for Rao (who he referred to as the "most powerful of the good deities", and probably for Pelor as well--problem being that he never released them! As to the others, he may have operated "off the cuff" as he often did. You'd have to derive from his other deities and what he gave out in the Gord novels to come up with something.
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Post by Falconer on May 6, 2009 22:39:58 GMT -5
So what ARE the gods of each temple according to the Yggsburgh expansions?
Does anyone have all four PDFs?
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Post by grodog on May 6, 2009 23:06:37 GMT -5
22 seems like a good fit for Zilchus, if you change out the female --> male. He's listed in the 83 box set as Greater God of "Power, Prestige, Influence, Money, Business".
BTW, if you still don't have copies of the 83 boxed set, email me.
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Post by Falconer on May 7, 2009 5:09:08 GMT -5
I just bought the two volumes at $2.99 each on eBay.
I have the maps already.
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Post by Falconer on May 7, 2009 5:12:17 GMT -5
Gord gambles against a cleric of Zilchus in Saga of Old City. So it's not a bad idea.
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Post by ghul on May 7, 2009 6:58:39 GMT -5
Falconer, I'll have to check to see which temples are in published Yggsburgh modules versus which ones are not. I have information on all of them, but for contractual reasons discussed in the other thread, I am prohibited from discussing those portions that were never published. I will, however, freely discuss those portions that were released, especially since two of them were mine.
I also have two modules from that series that were never published and whose contracts have expired. My intention is to strip them of their Trigee material and publish them as OSRIC modules.
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Post by grodog on May 7, 2009 10:21:11 GMT -5
I also have two modules from that series that were never published and whose contracts have expired. My intention is to strip them of their Trigee material and publish them as OSRIC modules. Good news, Jeff: any ideas on the timelines for these?
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Post by Merkholz on May 8, 2009 1:45:58 GMT -5
When reading the Yggsburgh material I definetely got the impression that Gary intentionally made it hard to match up with the published Greyhawk campaign. The temples in Yggsburgh is a good example of this, the deities seem familiar but it's hard to find good matches.
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Post by ghul on May 8, 2009 5:48:22 GMT -5
I also have two modules from that series that were never published and whose contracts have expired. My intention is to strip them of their Trigee material and publish them as OSRIC modules. Good news, Jeff: any ideas on the timelines for these? At the moment, no. I want to finish frying a few other fish before I return to these manuscripts, but thanks for the interest.
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Post by Scott on May 8, 2009 10:13:10 GMT -5
After some thought, and sticking to the Greyhawk gods, I‘d go with the following. They don‘t match completely, but I think they would be appropriate for capturing the feel of a Greyhawk campaign. 19. the Flan pantheon 20. Ulaa 21. Ehlonna 22. Istus 23. St. Cuthbert 24. the Oeridian pantheon. 77. Farlanghnn 80. I don’t see a reason to make this different than the others. Most likely the proprietor would be a follower of one of the common, good deities of the area, I’d probably say Pelor or Rao.
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Post by GT on May 8, 2009 18:40:50 GMT -5
I still don't dig the rather "distant" and definitely Bakluni Istus in the mix...such an addition could prove "fate-al" to the campaign! HAAARRRR!!!!!!
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