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Post by geneweigel on Jul 7, 2018 14:50:35 GMT -5
This is a continuation of the last ANT-MAN in the same style. Enjoyed this about as much as the first. They're really adding subtle layers here.
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Post by geneweigel on Jul 7, 2018 16:53:41 GMT -5
One in plain sight but obscure character really dusted off memories of his various comic appearances.
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Post by GRWelsh on Feb 2, 2019 15:02:20 GMT -5
I was laughing out loud through much of this movie. Lots of fun. Interesting how they worked in a character's history to be related to Egghead and Trish Starr... The first comic book I ever owned was MTU #33 and referenced Trish losing her arm. And anyone remember Black Goliath? Those are some pretty old school references. I continue to believe the MCU is being made to entertain me, personally... Not really, but damn it sure feels that way!
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Post by geneweigel on Feb 2, 2019 19:42:16 GMT -5
Did you catch who the FBI agent is?
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Post by GRWelsh on Feb 3, 2019 19:02:02 GMT -5
No, I didn't know who he was, but I see Jimmy Woo is another old school reference from Agents of Shield! I didn't realize just how old either until I looked it up -- he goes all the way back to YELLOW CLAW in the 50's! NICK FURY: AGENT OF S.H.I.E.L.D. was before my time and I don't recall any reprints in the 70's. Most of my knowledge of classic era comics (60's and earlier) was from all of the reprints they did at the time (mid-70's onward). I do remember the GODZILLA series in the late 70's but don't recall Jimmy Woo in it, and I wasn't a regular reader of that series. Interesting how in the comics Woo went from the FBI to SHIELD, but in the movies he went from SHIELD to FBI. The actor had great comedic sense!
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Post by geneweigel on Feb 3, 2019 22:03:47 GMT -5
Did you have WHAT IF (#9) THE AVENGERS HAD FORMED IN THE 1950's (1978)? He was in that but wasn't on the cover.
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Post by GRWelsh on Feb 4, 2019 9:20:28 GMT -5
No, I never read that issue. I see they put 3-D Man back in the 50's with the other Atlas Comics characters, even though he wasn't created by Roy Thomas until 1977 as an homage to Captain 3-D who was created by Simon and Kirby for Harvey Comics in 1953. There seemed to be a pattern with Roy Thomas: bringing back Golden Age characters (like in the Kree-Skrull War) or creating teams (The Invaders, The Liberty Legion) and characters (3-D Man) set in the past as a retcon, yet based on teams (All-Winners) or characters (Captain 3-D) created in that era. I see in the 2000's Marvel made use of this old WHAT IF? concept of an "Avengers team of the 1950's" and apparently retconned it into mainstream Marvel continuity as "Agents of Atlas" but without 3-D Man since he wasn't an actual character from the 50's or in Atlas Comics. A superhero created to cash in on the 1950's 3-D fad just doesn't seem salvageable no matter what you do to him...
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Post by geneweigel on Feb 4, 2019 10:05:50 GMT -5
Reprocessing characters seems to be a bad habit with comics in general. I used to love/hate Gruenwald's dusting off of forgotten characters in Captain America in the 80's and early 90's because sometimes it would take you back to an old comic. I used to feel the same when Byrne did it sometimes it felt good then it felt bad.
Some years ago I thought about my own comic "world" and that I should reprocess it and I started to but then I realized it was sucking me away from what I really wanted to do. I think I still need to reprocess it because the current form of hundreds of characters are too dated but were good ideas.
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Post by GRWelsh on Feb 4, 2019 10:49:16 GMT -5
Reprocessing characters is a mixed bag and can lead to some odd results, but a creative writer can do interesting things playing with the continuity. Stan and Jack bringing back Captain America in 1964 was one of the best examples of this succeeding as a sort of no-brainer. Odd results came from reinterpreting characters such as the Vision in the late 60's being only superficially similar to the Vision of the 40's and to make it more confusing have him retconned to be the original Human Torch (AVENGERS #135 -- I always hated that). Odd results also came from reinterpreting DC characters starting in the late 50's to have more science-fictional origins rather than magical or mystical origins, such as the Flash and Green Lantern. But then Gardner Fox was able to turn the discrepancies into something interesting with the Earth-1 and Earth-2 stories, and they're still getting mileage out of that concept to this day.
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Post by geneweigel on Feb 4, 2019 11:11:10 GMT -5
Heh, I remember at one point Byrne brought back the Human Torch by sayng the Vision was something else thats when he wiped his personality and turne him all white. I think it was WEST COAST AVENGERS which, prior to Byrne, I didn't buy at all because I wrote it off as more "Al Milgrom crap" when it started. Thats also when Byrne created the storyline that the Vision children were demonic hands which seemed too weird for comics.
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Post by geneweigel on Feb 4, 2019 11:16:00 GMT -5
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Post by GRWelsh on Feb 4, 2019 15:23:37 GMT -5
That is a mess. Byrne at some point got the "he can't go wrong" card and then churned out this sort of thing. It seems to happen to almost every star in comics, eventually. I stand by the Claremont/Byrne run on UNCANNY X-MEN as one of the greatest ever. And I know a lot of people loved his FANTASTIC FOUR and MAN OF STEEL books from the 80's, but they weren't in the same league as that UNCANNY X-MEN run. I was so out of the loop in comics by the 80's and 90's that I only found out about a lot of this late 80's crap later on, and it made me glad I missed out.
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Post by geneweigel on Feb 4, 2019 16:05:46 GMT -5
The sad thing was I was still following way into the 90's. I was so star struck when I met him that I couldn't even speak. Then a year later I just had it when he dumped his own comic after promising that this was his and it wasn't ever going to happen like before.
It was like I was still a kid when it came to Byrne but when I had met him (and missed out on Kirby who had just died at the time) it sunk in that Byrne was a bad comic book maker unless reined in somehow.
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Post by GRWelsh on Feb 8, 2019 8:51:05 GMT -5
If I met John Byrne I would have been just as star struck. Nothing can tarnish the masterpiece produced from of his collaboration with Terry Austin and Chris Claremont. But everyone is human and produces lesser work sometimes. Even Kirby who I put on a pedestal above all others did some subpar work -- let's face it, he didn't write the best dialogue. Creative people often work better within limits or as collaborators even if they don't want that.
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