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Kuo-Toans
May 4, 2018 11:49:28 GMT -5
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Post by davegibsongreyhawkdm on May 4, 2018 11:49:28 GMT -5
Would the kuo-toans' religion/culture/society be something like fallen (evil) zen-Buddhists or something else entirely? If so, what?
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Post by geneweigel on May 4, 2018 13:45:28 GMT -5
I'd say your spot with that but not in general.
Backing away and looking at it there seems to be a Middle Eastern tinge in there.
So I would place them in India as a comparative then work it out in "fish-ese" from there. With the Sea Mother being a Kali-ish type and the cult being a part Buddhist, a part Thuggee, and a part Hashashin admixture.
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Kuo-Toans
May 7, 2018 7:54:29 GMT -5
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Post by davegibsongreyhawkdm on May 7, 2018 7:54:29 GMT -5
I'd say your spot with that but not in general. Backing away and looking at it there seems to be a Middle Eastern tinge in there. So I would place them in India as a comparative then work it out in "fish-ese" from there. With the Sea Mother being a Kali-ish type and the cult being a part Buddhist, a part Thuggee, and a part Hashashin admixture. That sounds good - Buddhism flowed from India and Gandhara (now Afghanistan) originally, so maybe the Kuo-Toans were once a kind of enlightened zen-Buddhist (possible Tao/Confucianist influenced?) surface dwelling race, that fell back to ancient religious/cultural roots (represented by Blibdoolpoolp) as they retreated from the surface of Oerth?
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Post by geneweigel on May 7, 2018 8:24:16 GMT -5
I had asked gary about this:
And it was from the Southeast where the "gogglers" travelled over the Sunless Sea from the Western offshoot of the Azure sea (currently Sea Princes' Jeklea Bay) as they were already removed from the main body of Azure Sea.
As for the name "Kuo-toa", my theory is that its a wordplay on "Krakatoa" (volcano island of South Seas), ""quo" meaning "where" in Latin and maybe they were originally frog-like with "toads" shortened to "toa".
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Kuo-Toans
May 7, 2018 8:48:33 GMT -5
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Post by davegibsongreyhawkdm on May 7, 2018 8:48:33 GMT -5
I had asked gary about this: And it was from the Southeast where the "gogglers" travelled over the Sunless Sea from the Western offshoot of the Azure sea (currently Sea Princes' Jeklea Bay) as they were already removed from the main body of Azure Sea. As for the name "Kuo-toa", my theory is that its a wordplay on "Krakatoa" (volcano island of South Seas), ""quo" meaning "where" in Latin and maybe they were originally frog-like with "toads" shortened to "toa". Another possibility kuo-toan = out + koan? Zen-Buddhist literati who have come out from another region as you described? Who might have been amongst the powerful beings that in ages past aided mankind in driving the kuo-toans out to remote regions, and are thus hated foes of kuo-toans? Who were the fierce and evil creatures who drove kuo-toans from the seas, sahuagin? Others? Is it possible that there were some kuo-toans on the isles of woe?
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Post by geneweigel on May 7, 2018 10:53:45 GMT -5
They obviously are cut from the same groupage as the Scarlet Brotherhood in my follow up thoughts to Gary's answer about their location. Like all buddhist type religions the philosophies are portable and I think this is a clear case of Buddha dumped on Kali/Thuggee and superficially borrowing the Islamic Hashashin parts.
Like in China for instance the buddhists still have rain gods and evil gods that they had before.
Did the SB get their monkish notions from the gogglers, the vile inferior beasts, that would make them overpower their lock as the dominant ones of the South seas?
I don't see any monks in the barbarian areas.
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