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Post by Scott on Apr 17, 2018 12:20:32 GMT -5
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Post by Scott on Apr 17, 2018 12:25:43 GMT -5
Gary’s personal dungeon and LA are what Alex, the CEO, mention in the article. What a train wreck.
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Post by foster1941 on Apr 17, 2018 12:39:44 GMT -5
The irony, of course, being that D&D is more popular now than it's been at any time since before Alex Gygax was born. I feel certain a deal could have been made with WotC for the Gygax IP on terms that would seem extremely favorable to anybody not named Alex or Gail Gygax. Greyhawk has been effectively out of print and mothballed for a decade - this would've been the perfect opportunity to invalidate all of that 90s-00s-era LGG/Paizohawk fan-canon garbage and "reboot" the setting based on Gary's unpublished notes.
Instead, we get some buzzword-laden talk about computer games that will almost certainly never be released.
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Post by GRWelsh on Apr 17, 2018 13:00:40 GMT -5
This was one of the comments below the article: "The son is not even looking to create something with his father’s work… he’s looking to sell a license to someone else to create something."
To me, this article read like an announcement of somebody planning to make plans, and being very excited about it.
I can easily imagine an announcement that would have been worth making, something like: "We've been working with an experienced video game developer (list credits) to bring E. Gary Gygax's unpublished personal dungeon adventure to life, and here are some screen shots of the work so far (show images in a dungeon with: a great stone face; a jeweled man running away; a snake generator; a glowing pool with what looks like a moon and stars inside of it; etc.)."
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Post by Zenopus on Apr 17, 2018 18:54:14 GMT -5
This other article indicates that Paul Stormberg (Collector's Trove) is involved with Gygax Games: D&D co-creator Gary Gygax’s trust and Fig partner on video gamesHopefully if we are lucky he will convince them to scan everything to preserve it in its original form (like he did with the RJK archive and other material he has auctioned) before sharing it with any game developers.
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Post by Scott on Apr 17, 2018 19:56:04 GMT -5
Well, that is good news. Hopefully Paul can bring some sanity to GG endeavors.
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 17, 2018 20:57:34 GMT -5
I would help but it would have to be a definitive project that sets the standard straight otherwise I don't see how it help watering down my output.
I'd rather do tributes separate from control.
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Post by Scott on Apr 17, 2018 22:01:46 GMT -5
They're just completely delusional. What do they think the demand for a Greyhawk Dungeons video game will be? Who wants another dungeon crawl video game? The only real interest is a small base of fans who want it in a format as close to the original dying art, pen and paper version as possible. And there's even less interest in LA. It was niche at it's peak, and with no Gary, ten years passing without a peep, and the flood of established MMORPGs already out there it's a dead end. And to top it off just about everything they've done since has alienated the fans Gary had.
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 17, 2018 22:20:30 GMT -5
Gary had that "how much?" attitude but he had legendary output.
His inert notes in the hands of a standard rpg designer would probably turn into unnotable standard forgettable material.
Does anyone remember the LEJENDARY ADVENTURES MMMMORPG GALLERY? Nothing in there looked like any of the content of all four of the only books. The Lejendary Rules for All Players, Lejend Master's Lore, the Beasts of Lejend and Lejendary Earth Gazetteer. They were all random images of unknown fantasy. It looked like they probably had some designer already with a world of their own then their overseers plopped the LA stuff in their lap and said ram it in and they jumped out the window after looking at the the badly warped aesthetics of the game's bad illustrations and weird fill-in texts.
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Post by davegibsongreyhawkdm on Apr 17, 2018 22:27:39 GMT -5
Defenestrate they did.
--Yoda
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Post by GRWelsh on Apr 18, 2018 7:50:59 GMT -5
This other article indicates Hopefully if we are lucky he will convince them to scan everything to preserve it in its original form (like he did with the RJK archive and other material he has auctioned) before sharing it with any game developers. The ideal situation... if Paul was allowed to give EGG's unpublished work the scanner treatment and make it available to buy as an archive DVD. But they seem to think they're sitting on something valuable and if they can just figure out the right medium to use ("Something modern! Movies? Video games? What?") they can turn it into a fortune... But I agree with Scott, that's just delusional. They're not going to turn EGG's unpublished work into a fortune. All they're accomplishing is keeping it away from a small, aging niche market of gamers who are still interested in it. Forty years from now... in a rest home: "Gygax Games finally published the original Dungeons of Castle Greyhawk! Get me to my walker! I have to put the gaming group back together!" <heart attack> P. S. Seriously, Paul is an intelligent and organized guy, so his involvement in Gygax Games is the most promising thing I've heard yet. That's actually good news.
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Post by davegibsongreyhawkdm on Apr 18, 2018 8:49:09 GMT -5
This other article indicates Hopefully if we are lucky he will convince them to scan everything to preserve it in its original form (like he did with the RJK archive and other material he has auctioned) before sharing it with any game developers. The ideal situation... if Paul was allowed to give EGG's unpublished work the scanner treatment and make it available to buy as an archive DVD. But they seem to think they're sitting on something valuable and if they can just figure out the right medium to use ("Something modern! Movies? Video games? What?") they can turn it into a fortune... But I agree with Scott, that's just delusional. They're not going to turn EGG's unpublished work into a fortune. All they're accomplishing is keeping it away from a small, aging niche market of gamers who are still interested in it. Forty years from now... in a rest home: "Gygax Games finally published the original Dungeons of Castle Greyhawk! Get me to my walker! I have to put the gaming group back together!" <heart attack> P. S. Seriously, Paul is an intelligent and organized guy, so his involvement in Gygax Games is the most promising thing I've heard yet. That's actually good news. Cryonics will have to work for me to witness an unveiling 40+ years in the future...hopefully my grandson's generation will see this happen!
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 18, 2018 9:06:23 GMT -5
I'll admit I can't see eye to eye with anything Stormberg does. He reminds me of my brother to a "T" with that antiquer "they liked it this way/its authentic" wheeling and dealing and perhaps organizing a play session. My view is one of grokking, constructing then playing to entertain. Thats why I'm anti-nerd because nerds don't grok, they avoid it.
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Post by davegibsongreyhawkdm on Apr 18, 2018 9:31:00 GMT -5
I'll admit I can't see eye to eye with anything Stormberg does. He reminds me of my brother to a "T" with that antiquer "they liked it this way/its authentic" wheeling and dealing and perhaps organizing a play session. My view is one of grokking, constructing then playing to entertain. Thats why I'm anti-nerd because nerds don't grok, they avoid it. Gene, you are a "Stranger in a Strange Land"! Keep grokking!
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Post by davegibsongreyhawkdm on Apr 18, 2018 10:02:15 GMT -5
Come to think of it, Grok, or else, "ogrk", would be a good alternative scarab pass for TOEE, if the "tzgy" is displaced to go back toward a TOEE original manuscript?
If I don't use ""ngaz" = Ganz, I might go the grok route...
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Post by Zenopus on Apr 18, 2018 11:03:40 GMT -5
Over on FB, Paul made a public post linking to the Polygon story, to which I commented: To which Paul replied:
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Post by davegibsongreyhawkdm on Apr 18, 2018 11:07:13 GMT -5
Over on FB, Paul made a public post linking to the Polygon story, to which I commented: To which Paul replied: That sounds awesome!
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Post by davegibsongreyhawkdm on Apr 18, 2018 11:13:37 GMT -5
Hopefully the raw content of EGG's notes will be published in a 'Silmarillion' type work?
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Post by geneweigel on Apr 18, 2018 11:31:07 GMT -5
The really weird thing was the details over Rob's "resignation" from Zagyg (which I was privy to by Rob and Gary jerking me back and forth) was because Gary didn't want to publish anything of his like that. Now thats fucking ironic.
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Post by GRWelsh on Apr 18, 2018 12:04:38 GMT -5
I much prefer the "Bottle City" treatment over the "Castle Zagyg" treatment. I'd rather get scans of the original maps and keys, with commentary, than... well, anything else. I don't want to get EGG's notes filtered through some other designer's ideas.
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