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Post by geneweigel on Mar 22, 2015 22:48:22 GMT -5
I went over the classes really hard with a full spectrum of AD&D in mind. It can be done and they're all going to like the cavalier in layout.
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Post by geneweigel on Feb 15, 2016 9:47:09 GMT -5
I finally looked at the Troll Lords versions. Its the same but instead of the bad illustrations it is "updated", non-illustrative, bland and generic. I can't believe that its worse than I figured it would be. At least the original versions tried to illustrate in many areas. Although trying to imagine someone asking to play one of the nonhumans as presented was tough this lacks any of the original weird world appeal whatsoever.
DJ's biggest problem is lack of illustration too.
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Post by Scott on Feb 15, 2016 14:12:32 GMT -5
Does LA have a heartbeat at all, or has it dies completely?
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Post by geneweigel on Feb 15, 2016 18:22:10 GMT -5
Does LA have a heartbeat at all, or has it dies completely? I believe that when Gygax Games imploded that a deal with Mongoose Publishing, made right after the backstab to the Troll Lords regarding Castle Zagyg, got sucked into the vortex of annihilation.
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Post by GRWelsh on Feb 20, 2022 13:10:10 GMT -5
Yesterday Eric brought me a signed author's edition (out of a thousand) of the Lejendary Adventures book. It's the first LA item I've owned, so I don't know the system or have any opinion yet. I was just excited to get an item signed by EGG because Eric and I had been talking about how we both regretted never getting to Lake Geneva to meet EGG in person. I'm not big on signed collector's items in general, and for me it would be more about having a memento from someone I met in person and actually admire. But this is certainly better than nothing at all!
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Post by Scott on Feb 20, 2022 14:16:29 GMT -5
That's cool! I haven't perused the LA books in forever. I remember it being a skill based system with very little structure, which kind of clashes with most of the skill based fantasy games I'm familiar with. Tell me what you think.
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Post by geneweigel on Feb 21, 2022 1:13:09 GMT -5
It makes you wonder sometimes about the meaning of Lejendary Adventure and it also reflects back on D&D legalese. Gygax as a persona was a unique individual that immediately becomes a focal point of any discussion of rpg as a phenomena. LA is such a dead dog that has little following and whatever energy it had was dependent on big G being plugged in. My fear was that whatever energy that I put into it would be immediately absorbed and claimed by the small stakeholders. D&D in contrast is massive enough that its a phenomena that whatever energy you put towards it becomes creatively a good feeling. I think I'm still dealing with buyer's remorse from Gamma World in regards to LA. My feeling from dealing with the people behind the scenes was that it was some kind of a pet project handed over for Gary to jazz up. Almost like Lovecraft's ghost writing but more full credit reversed.
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Post by Scott on Feb 21, 2022 13:01:20 GMT -5
The handling of Gary's IP has got to be one of the most poorly handled things I've ever seen. Gary was riding a high wave at the time of his passing with LA, Castle Zagyg, some 3E stuff, re-prints and new novels, etc. Gary had put plans in place to assure that publication continued as planned in the event he passed, and Gail fucked it all up. She was off the chart delusional in her plans for the stuff. LA is a dead dog now, worth nothing. Greyhawk and Gygax don't cary the weight they used to. The megadungeon has been done to death now. The stuff is worth a tiny fraction of what it was at the time of Gary's death. There was so much promise for finally getting a glimpse at material that's been hinted at forever, and now 14 years later they've auctioning off some original copy to private collectors as a quick cash grab, and that's it. There's the occasional rumble/rumor that things are moving forward, but then it dies again.
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Post by geneweigel on Feb 21, 2022 15:21:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I hope to get how Ernie's personal feelings are on it all but from talking to him online he likes to keep it strictly to gaming fun. No drama. I mean we're genuinely interested so maybe he can inform us Gary fans where to poke a stick.
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Post by GRWelsh on Feb 21, 2022 18:30:58 GMT -5
What is the original copy being auctioned off to private collectors? Is this any original dungeons of Castle Greyhawk stuff? I had been holding out a dim, final hope that Paul Stormberg would organize it and Rob would provide commentary for some published version similar to the Bottle City approach... I know that's crazy... But isn't it a great idea?
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Post by Scott on Feb 21, 2022 21:40:55 GMT -5
Copies, I meant to say. Different things Paul has auctioned off via the Collectors Trove. I think Paul would like to, but I still think Gail has a disconnect from reality.
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Post by geneweigel on Feb 21, 2022 23:31:01 GMT -5
Its just a "cash cow/golden goose" to these clods. Gary was up shit's creek the entire time that I was talking to him so Gail passed through shit's creek into diarrhea's whorehouse of auction huckstering and image marketability. I was naive for years about certain things. I bought all of LEONARD NIMOY'S PRIMORTALS comics and at the end of the day Mister Spock got drunk and I got a pile of rubberized un-Spock boogers. If there was a product based on something from Gail Gygax properties what the hell would it be? A "You can use our name for your product" type thing?
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Post by GRWelsh on Feb 22, 2022 8:27:10 GMT -5
I am wondering what in Lejendary Adventure is exportable to D&D. Honestly, I never was interested in switching systems. But I'm always interested in new races, monsters, magic items and spells.
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Post by geneweigel on Feb 22, 2022 8:42:54 GMT -5
Originally, I was thinking of converting them aesthetically because the imagery is terrible. The dimensions are contrary to text. The most notable are veshoge as their heads are drawn sideways and the trollkin look like midget coneheads. The kobolds are just off. The monsters are just non-illustrative almost like filler and made to order by a series of "telephones" to cut rate artists.
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Post by Scott on Feb 22, 2022 15:09:59 GMT -5
I am wondering what in Lejendary Adventure is exportable to D&D. Honestly, I never was interested in switching systems. But I'm always interested in new races, monsters, magic items and spells. There were a few dual stetted adventures published. You might want to check those out for ideas.
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Post by geneweigel on Feb 22, 2022 21:46:58 GMT -5
Some of the "EXTRAORDINARY OBJECTS" in LEJEND MASTER'S LORE (2000) are reminiscent of D&D (And clearly Gary's ideas) and ready to use in a straight forward way while others replicate the combat or skill style so its a little confusing to say the least. The monsters in BEASTS OF LEJEND (2000) are characterized in a way that almost sets them apart from D&D. I would love to see whatever was done for the computer game for this. I recall the promo had a monster that was clearly not in any of the system books sort of a monstrous puffy goat-like creature. The world book THE CHRONICLES OF LEJENDARY EARTH GAZETTEER (2001) is the thinnest and doesn't ignite the imagination like the 1980 GH Folio. Its more like a rush job.
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